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« on: September 19, 2013, 07:53:35 PM »

A battle between two of the most hated politicians on this forum. Pick your poison!
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2013, 08:15:35 PM »

Woodrow had at least one or two positive characteristics.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2013, 08:17:34 PM »
« Edited: September 22, 2013, 10:17:21 AM by Peter the Lefty »

Both are horrible in very similar ways, come to think of it.  Wilson is responsible for creating the conglomerate known as the Federal Reserve, which is a huge part of the horrible Wall Street-dominated system we're currently living under.  Bloomberg, of course, is a huge part of the cabal that's holding up that system now.  But the guy who created it is much more responsible.

Both are/were racists, but obviously the pro-Klan guy who segregated the federal government's hiring system is FAR WORSE.

Both are violators of civil liberties, but obviously, locking up anti-war activists and suffragettes for criticizing you is beats out banning extra-large sodas and promoting stop and frisk.

And frankly, if Wilson were alive today, his "progressivism" would not be progressive.  He'd be considered just as anti-labor as Bloomberg.  Plus, Wilson would definitely be one of those "omg da gayz" nutjobs.

So Bloomberg is clearly the lesser of two evils.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2013, 09:44:03 PM »

Bloomberg didn't effectively cause WWII.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2013, 10:01:52 PM »

Wilson did some great things in terms of reforming our economic system in a positive way, but he left the country in a very bad way by the end of his Presidency and was generally a racist jerk. 

While Bloomberg has his faults, he's been a very good Mayor. I guess I prefer Bloomberg because at least he isn't a racist jerk.


Huh?  I don't even understand that.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 10:06:01 PM »

Wilson, f#ck it.
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 10:18:46 PM »

Peter pretty much said everything that needed to be said.

Bloomberg.
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2013, 10:29:22 PM »

Both are horrible in very similar ways, come to think of it.  Wilson is responsible for creating the conglomerate known as the Federal Reserve, which is a huge part of the horrible Wall Street-dominated system we're currently living under.  Bloomberg, of course, is a huge part of the cabal that's holding up that system now.  But the guy who created it was far worse.

Both are/were racists, but obviously the pro-Klan guy who segregated the federal government's hiring system is FAR WORSE.

Both are violators of civil liberties, but obviously, locking up anti-war activists and suffragettes for criticizing you is far worse than banning extra-large sodas and promoting stop and frisk.

And frankly, if Wilson were alive today, his "progressivism" would not be progressive today.  He'd be considered just as anti-labor as Bloomberg.  Plus, Wilson would definitely be one of those "omg da gayz" nutjobs.

So Bloomberg is clearly the lesser of two evils.

Yep, this describes my feelings towards Wilson, probably one of the top ten worst presidents in history. Bloomberg, if I really had to choose.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 10:32:23 PM »

Peter pretty much said everything that needed to be said.

Bloomberg.

I think the unlettered, Ron Paul-esque critique of the Federal Reserve system was a tad unnecessary.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2013, 10:34:02 PM »


To be fair he never had the chance.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 10:44:47 PM »

Bloomberg, easily.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 11:38:02 PM »

Wilson did some great things in terms of reforming our economic system in a positive way, but he left the country in a very bad way by the end of his Presidency and was generally a racist jerk. 

While Bloomberg has his faults, he's been a very good Mayor. I guess I prefer Bloomberg because at least he isn't a racist jerk.

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2013, 12:53:03 AM »

Wilson did some great things in terms of reforming our economic system in a positive way, but he left the country in a very bad way by the end of his Presidency and was generally a racist jerk. 

While Bloomberg has his faults, he's been a very good Mayor. I guess I prefer Bloomberg because at least he isn't a racist jerk.


Huh?  I don't even understand that.

The Treaty of Versallies and Germany, just for one, though that isn't 100% his fault.

Well that, and the Racial Equality Proposal of 1919, which if passed, would've probably kept Japan more cooperative and made WWII less of a reality. Instead, it was rejected, mostly on the basis of Great Britain and Australia, sure, but Wilson was against it as well.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2013, 01:08:01 AM »

Wilson did some great things in terms of reforming our economic system in a positive way, but he left the country in a very bad way by the end of his Presidency and was generally a racist jerk. 

While Bloomberg has his faults, he's been a very good Mayor. I guess I prefer Bloomberg because at least he isn't a racist jerk.


Huh?  I don't even understand that.

The Treaty of Versallies and Germany, just for one, though that isn't 100% his fault.

Well that, and the Racial Equality Proposal of 1919, which if passed, would've probably kept Japan more cooperative and made WWII less of a reality. Instead, it was rejected, mostly on the basis of Great Britain and Australia, sure, but Wilson was against it as well.

The Treaty of Versailles certainly did not reflect the Wilson position and was mostly shaped by France and Britain.  That's just a fact.

Some people like to argue that the Treaty of Versailles caused WWII, but that's a minority position among historians.  The rise of Nazism was more a product of the economic conditions of the Great Depression than the strictures of the Treaty of Versailles.  If you look into the current historical consensus, the overly punitive nature of the treaty is really not cited as a culprit for causing WWII.

So, to connect the WWII to Wilson is silly.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2013, 02:28:29 AM »

The Treaty of Versailles certainly did not reflect the Wilson position and was mostly shaped by France and Britain.  That's just a fact.

Some people like to argue that the Treaty of Versailles caused WWII, but that's a minority position among historians.  The rise of Nazism was more a product of the economic conditions of the Great Depression than the strictures of the Treaty of Versailles.  If you look into the current historical consensus, the overly punitive nature of the treaty is really not cited as a culprit for causing WWII.

So, to connect the WWII to Wilson is silly.

Blaming WWII on Versailles is like blaming the return of a fever on the aspirin you took six hours ago.

No, Versailles is not why Wilson has a large share of blame for WWII.  Rather it is that Wilson's policies caused the war to be longer than it otherwise would have been.  The war very well could have ended in 1915 when the Allies ran out of gold to buy American war material had not Wilson allowed them to raise loans here.  The war could have ended in 1917 if there was no prospect of American entry into the war. Heck, even if Wilson had indulged his Anglophilia and managed to use the Lusitania incident to bring the US into the war in 1915, the result would have been a shorter war that would have better all around. A shorter Great War would have been less disruptive and costly, and far less likely to bring the Bolsheviks to power, tho a revolution against the Tsar was always a possibility.
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2013, 02:40:45 PM »

If this were a real life matchup, it'd be one of the worst ever. Big city technocratic millionaire (billionaire?) mayor who's all hyped up on gun control and regulating our soft drinks. Meanwhile you have a racist Ivy League professor. Nobody wins!
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2013, 04:49:04 PM »

Woodrow had at least one or two positive characteristics.
This, and I wouldn't say he was one of the most hated politicians in history (at least in American history.)  Reagan or George W. Bush would definitely fit it, though.

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2013, 07:13:49 PM »

what a hard choice!

i admire both.

hard to compare the two, given that one ruled 100 years ago.

i consider myself a wilsonian progressive.  but bloomberg is probably closer to me politically.  again...hard to compare now with 1915.
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2013, 07:15:42 PM »

Both are horrible in very similar ways, come to think of it.  Wilson is responsible for creating the conglomerate known as the Federal Reserve, which is a huge part of the horrible Wall Street-dominated system we're currently living under.  Bloomberg, of course, is a huge part of the cabal that's holding up that system now.  But the guy who created it was far worse.

Both are/were racists, but obviously the pro-Klan guy who segregated the federal government's hiring system is FAR WORSE.

Both are violators of civil liberties, but obviously, locking up anti-war activists and suffragettes for criticizing you is far worse than banning extra-large sodas and promoting stop and frisk.

And frankly, if Wilson were alive today, his "progressivism" would not be progressive today.  He'd be considered just as anti-labor as Bloomberg.  Plus, Wilson would definitely be one of those "omg da gayz" nutjobs.

So Bloomberg is clearly the lesser of two evils.

This.. Bloomy is terrible but Wilson is dangerously terrible (in today's politics especially)
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 10:35:26 PM »

If this were a real life matchup, it'd be one of the worst ever. Big city technocratic millionaire (billionaire?) mayor who's all hyped up on gun control and regulating our soft drinks. Meanwhile you have a racist Ivy League professor. Nobody wins!

Yeah, it would be horrible. But the map might be interesting....
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2013, 04:01:54 AM »

All I can say is this:
There better be a decent third-party ticket!
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2013, 04:04:57 AM »

The non-racist.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2013, 04:39:17 AM »

Woodrow Wilson, a great man.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2013, 09:30:13 AM »

Easily Wilson
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2013, 11:52:18 AM »

WORST election ever. On the one hand, you have a elitist liberal extreme pro-gun control mayor who is very socially liberal and to the left of obama and a complete dickwad. Versus a racist ivy league professor, hard-core progressive. Really, worst election ever.
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