Holocaust denial

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I'm honestly curious to hear holocaust deniers explain where 6 million Jews mysteriously vanished to.

It wasn't just Jews in the Holocaust. Most of the victims were Jewish, but there were millions of non-Jews. People don't give the non-Jews attention.

[Hnv1]

I'm honestly curious to hear holocaust deniers explain where 6 million Jews mysteriously vanished to.

It wasn't just Jews in the Holocaust. Most of the victims were Jewish, but there were millions of non-Jews. People don't give the non-Jews attention.

There were ofc gypsies\communists\slavs\homosexual and such, but as a portion of the holocaust (death camps and organized slaughter) they were a minority to Jews. many more died across the German controlled territories sporadically. That's what sets up apart the victims of the holocaust and the general victims of Nazi rule

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I really doubt that a Catholic like Hitler wanted to kill all Catholics.

I don't think Hitler did consider himself a Catholic.

As he stayed member of the Church his entire life, yes he were Catholic (like much of the rest of the Nazi elite), something not even the Catholic Church try to deny.

You seem to have a little bit of an anti-organized-religion chip on your shoulder, as most people who try to claim that Hitler or most of his followers were Christians at all usually do.  They were very outspoken against organized religion and professed atheism.  That's a historical fact...

...no.

[minionofmidas]

I'm honestly curious to hear holocaust deniers explain where 6 million Jews mysteriously vanished to.

It wasn't just Jews in the Holocaust. Most of the victims were Jewish, but there were millions of non-Jews. People don't give the non-Jews attention.

The term Holocaust refers specifically to the genocide against Jews, and anyways nobody's ever denied that the Germans shot people in Eastern Europe during Hitler's reign there. (though the term is not limited to those killed in the death camps - the six million figure includes very many whose murders were not at all of a different quality from so many of the Nazis' other murders. Exterminations of whole Serbian or Belorussian villages in retaliation for partisan attacks, say.)
Of course, when we say 'Holocaust denier', we include those who obsessively relativize the Holocaust, foolishly and against the overwhelming bulk of the evidence still try to quibble about the exact numbers, etc. Or just show glee at pointing out the bits of the story rarely told (like the despite mutual mistrust often reasonably good working relationships between Nazi authorities and Zionists - Ahmadinejad's Holocaust conference was mostly about this sort of stuff). Especially when we have reason to suspect an antisemitic animus.


Anybody who pretends that Hitler was anything but a Roman Catholic or that anything short of a vast majority of his henchmen were Conservative Christians - and primarily Protestants - has rosary beads for brains. That Hitler would have liked the Pope and his Bishops to be even more subservient than he really was - as subservient as the German Lutheran Bishops actually were - ; that fringe parts of the SS endulged in Neo-Pagan rituals and the whole organization liked to use symbols ripped from Germanic pagan traditions; that there were some Nazis (not entirely fringe) who quit the Church and defined themselves as gottgläubig ("theists"? Though the God referred to is explicitly the Abrahamic God. In Germany these people largely rejoined in the early 50s, though in exile, Adolf Eichmann called himself gottgläubig when on trial in Israel), are all true but do not affect the fundamental character of the movement and never reached the ears of the majority of the German people.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I'm honestly curious to hear holocaust deniers explain where 6 million Jews mysteriously vanished to.

It wasn't just Jews in the Holocaust. Most of the victims were Jewish, but there were millions of non-Jews. People don't give the non-Jews attention.

There were ofc gypsies\communists\slavs\homosexual and such, but as a portion of the holocaust (death camps and organized slaughter) they were a minority to Jews. many more died across the German controlled territories sporadically. That's what sets up apart the victims of the holocaust and the general victims of Nazi rule

No it doesn't.  The only reason more Jews died at the hands of the Nazis than did Romani is that they had more Jews to kill.  The Nazis wanted to exterminate both groups.

[minionofmidas]

The only reason more Jews died at the hands of the Nazis than did Romani is that they had more Jews to kill.  The Nazis wanted to exterminate both groups.

The one group was a pressing problem (after the collapse of Poland and the near-collapse-and-then-not of the Soviet Union and after everything the Germans had already done, that is), the other wasn't. For that reason the Romani genocide, though entirely identical in motivation and in parts also in method, was less systematic - Germany never took any steps to get the Hungarian and Romanian Roma murdered (unlike their Jews.)

[Hnv1]

I'm honestly curious to hear holocaust deniers explain where 6 million Jews mysteriously vanished to.

It wasn't just Jews in the Holocaust. Most of the victims were Jewish, but there were millions of non-Jews. People don't give the non-Jews attention.

There were ofc gypsies\communists\slavs\homosexual and such, but as a portion of the holocaust (death camps and organized slaughter) they were a minority to Jews. many more died across the German controlled territories sporadically. That's what sets up apart the victims of the holocaust and the general victims of Nazi rule

No it doesn't.  The only reason more Jews died at the hands of the Nazis than did Romani is that they had more Jews to kill.  The Nazis wanted to exterminate both groups.

I included Romani with the Jews as victims of the holocaust...we can assume that with more gypsies the Nazis might have had a final solution especially for them but that will be after all a speculation

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I'm honestly curious to hear holocaust deniers explain where 6 million Jews mysteriously vanished to.

It wasn't just Jews in the Holocaust. Most of the victims were Jewish, but there were millions of non-Jews. People don't give the non-Jews attention.

There were ofc gypsies\communists\slavs\homosexual and such, but as a portion of the holocaust (death camps and organized slaughter) they were a minority to Jews. many more died across the German controlled territories sporadically. That's what sets up apart the victims of the holocaust and the general victims of Nazi rule

No it doesn't.  The only reason more Jews died at the hands of the Nazis than did Romani is that they had more Jews to kill.  The Nazis wanted to exterminate both groups.

I included Romani with the Jews as victims of the holocaust...we can assume that with more gypsies the Nazis might have had a final solution especially for them but that will be after all a speculation

Might?  MIGHT!?!  They did!  There's no need to speculate.  There are parts of Europe where the Romani were so completely exterminated that any Romani there today are immigrants from elsewhere.  The Brown Triangle was just as much a part of the Holocaust as the Yellow Star.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The Nazis wanted, and were doing their best, to exterminate the Romani people. One may argue Hitler was more obsessed with the Jews (he most certainly was), but playing the score here, like trying to suggest the tragedy of one group is somehow less deserving the same attention as tragedy of the other (especially since both were a victims of the very same genocide) is plainly insulting. I'm saying this as a person who under Nazi racial policy would go straight to gas chamber for having a contaminated, Jewish blood.   

[minionofmidas]

Nah, half and quarter Jews with Aryan spouses were not deported to the East. (If you'd be German.)