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« on: October 03, 2013, 07:45:50 PM »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442195/Why-want--Harry-Reid-dismisses-funding-childrens-cancer-research-separately-rest-government.html

Dirty liar Harry Reid has a melt down because of a question from CNN reporter Dana Bash

The U.S. Senate's leading Democrat found himself in embarrassingly hot water Wednesday, after dismissing the idea of funding children's cancer research through the government shutdown.

'If you can help one child, why won't you do it?' asked CNN reporter Dana Bash.

'Why, why, why would we want to do that?' countered Reid.

'I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force Base that are sitting home' because of government employee furloughs, he told Bash and a roomful of other journalists. 'They have – they have a few problems of their own.'

'This is – to have someone of your intelligence suggest such a thing maybe means you're as irresponsible and reckless.'
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 08:04:12 PM »

By that logic, Boehner won't fund care for kids with cancer since he won't allow a vote on a clean CR.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 08:11:04 PM »

Everybody who's using this story to get political leverage on the shutdown has a special place reserved for them in Hell, in my opinion.  What the frak is wrong with people?
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 08:13:09 PM »

By that logic, Boehner won't fund care for kids with cancer since he won't allow a vote on a clean CR.

That may be true, but the Republican House wants to send this and other measures, to be handled on a one on one basis, to the Senate.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 08:16:02 PM »

By that logic, Boehner won't fund care for kids with cancer since he won't allow a vote on a clean CR.

That may be true, but the Republican House wants to send this and other measures, to be handled on a one on one basis, to the Senate.

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And Reid, a majority of both Houses, and a majority of Americans want Congress to just pass a clean bill funding everything rather than picking and choosing like this.

You can't spin your way out of this one.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2013, 08:23:01 PM »

OP uses Dailymail as source.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2013, 08:25:08 PM »

By that logic, Boehner won't fund care for kids with cancer since he won't allow a vote on a clean CR.

That may be true, but the Republican House wants to send this and other measures, to be handled on a one on one basis, to the Senate.

So basically, kids can get cancer treatment but only if House Republicans are given sole discretion over which government programs get funded and which ones don't. What a deal.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2013, 08:36:10 PM »

By that logic, Boehner won't fund care for kids with cancer since he won't allow a vote on a clean CR.

That may be true, but the Republican House wants to send this and other measures, to be handled on a one on one basis, to the Senate.



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And Reid, a majority of both Houses, and a majority of Americans want Congress to just pass a clean bill funding everything rather than picking and choosing like this.

You can't spin your way out of this one.

And that's what I want too.

And my dear fellow, I am not trying to spin anything, simply reporting a confrontation between Dana Bash and Harry Reid.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 09:01:09 PM »

It was a dumb question, why pass a bill for just "one child" when passing a clean funding bill can fund all the children that need care and put people back to work? In that context, the reporter looked like an airhead and it wasn't surprising that Reid was irritated. Someone who is supposed to be a journalist should understand why funding the government like a buffet is irresponsible.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 09:04:51 PM »

Congress's responsibility is to set the fiscal priorities for this nation. Not everything is of course worth funding, even if its proponents bark like dogs.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 09:21:41 PM »

By that logic, Boehner won't fund care for kids with cancer since he won't allow a vote on a clean CR.

That may be true, but the Republican House wants to send this and other measures, to be handled on a one on one basis, to the Senate.

...

And Reid, a majority of both Houses, and a majority of Americans want Congress to just pass a clean bill funding everything rather than picking and choosing like this.

You can't spin your way out of this one.

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 09:28:15 PM »

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...

Huh?  The nation has been patiently and impatiently waiting for Boehner to bring up the clean CR for a vote for several days now.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 09:31:59 PM »

Everybody who's using this story to get political leverage on the shutdown has a special place reserved for them in Hell, in my opinion.  What the frak is wrong with people?

If you cross out Reid and replace it with Republicans you'd have a decent fractions of the threads on the Atlas Forum.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 09:33:22 PM »

By that logic, Boehner won't fund care for kids with cancer since he won't allow a vote on a clean CR.

That may be true, but the Republican House wants to send this and other measures, to be handled on a one on one basis, to the Senate.

...

And Reid, a majority of both Houses, and a majority of Americans want Congress to just pass a clean bill funding everything rather than picking and choosing like this.

You can't spin your way out of this one.

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...

What?!

The GOP is sending piecemeal Bills to fund things that they know are popular and to try to shame the Democrats into folding... and they're not.

The GOPs inability to reign in 80 nutcases, at the expense of the silent majority who don't want this is prolonging it. Obamacare is going nowhere, they're not going to undermine the elements that will IMPROVE the Budgetary situation ... the 2012 election and the Supreme Court have settled this.

Plus, the Shutdown is the aim, not the tool to achieve an aim. The Tea Party has been itching for a shutdown for the sake of one since before the 2010 election ... it's horrendous. The Dems are asking for nothing extra, they're keeping the GOPs spending limits ... the GOP House leadership has FAILED utterly.
 
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2013, 09:34:30 PM »

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...

Oh, have the Republicans passed clean CRs for every part of the government while I wasn't looking?  Still, that might be a way past this mess.  Divide a clean CR that funds the whole government up into ten or so parts so that individual House Republicans can still each vote against nine of them to placate the Tea Party, then once the Senate gets all ten, it passes them and Obama signs them.

Brilliant!
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 09:38:12 PM »

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...

Huh?  The nation has been patiently and impatiently waiting for Boehner to bring up the clean CR for a vote for several days now.

What you've got is a series of proposals that the House GOP has passed to refund the government earlier today that Senate Democrats aren't just refusing to bring up for a vote (not a totally unreasonable position in and of itself if they think they can get something better), but they aren't merely refusing to negotiate, they're going on TV and loudly announcing that they won't be negotiating with the Republicans. I suppose it's a strategy to make Boehner crack (though it's telling in and of itself that the Republicans are the ones passing legislation while the Democrats are trying complex strategies to make the House leadership crack), but if it doesn't work it'll backfire on them heavily -- telling everyone you won't negotiate doesn't win you votes. Democrats could still come out the winners just because of the initial anti-Republican backlash at the start of the shutdown, I suppose, but they're busy reversing it right now.

It's very doubtful you're going to get a vote on a clean CR in the House, so by insisting on it (or waiting until the political situation has shifted (which it might not at all) until you do) you're unconstructively prolonging the shutdown. There's no other way to look at it.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2013, 09:39:57 PM »

Republicans know that Obama is not going to sign off on an Obamacare repeal, so continuing to force the issue is what is is prolonging the shut down.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2013, 09:42:47 PM »

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...

Huh?  The nation has been patiently and impatiently waiting for Boehner to bring up the clean CR for a vote for several days now.

What you've got is a series of proposals that the House GOP has passed to refund the government earlier today that Senate Democrats aren't just refusing to bring up for a vote (not a totally unreasonable position in and of itself if they think they can get something better), but they aren't merely refusing to negotiate, they're going on TV and loudly announcing that they won't be negotiating with the Republicans. I suppose it's a strategy to make Boehner crack (though it's telling in and of itself that the Republicans are the ones passing legislation while the Democrats are trying complex strategies to make the House leadership crack), but if it doesn't work it'll backfire on them heavily -- telling everyone you won't negotiate doesn't win you votes. Democrats could still come out the winners just because of the initial anti-Republican backlash at the start of the shutdown, I suppose, but they're busy reversing it right now.

It's very doubtful you're going to get a vote on a clean CR in the House, so by insisting on it (or waiting until the political situation has shifted (which it might not at all) until you do) you're unconstructively prolonging the shutdown. There's no other way to look at it.

There is, one based on facts.

The GOP could solve this right now, show leadership, do what they KNOW is right, tell the nutcases to back off, work with the Dems to pass the CR.

If you don't see that, then you're truly delusional.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2013, 09:43:22 PM »

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...

Huh?  The nation has been patiently and impatiently waiting for Boehner to bring up the clean CR for a vote for several days now.

What you've got is a series of proposals that the House GOP has passed to refund the government earlier today that Senate Democrats aren't just refusing to bring up for a vote (not a totally unreasonable position in and of itself if they think they can get something better), but they aren't merely refusing to negotiate, they're going on TV and loudly announcing that they won't be negotiating with the Republicans. I suppose it's a strategy to make Boehner crack (though it's telling in and of itself that the Republicans are the ones passing legislation while the Democrats are trying complex strategies to make the House leadership crack), but if it doesn't work it'll backfire on them heavily -- telling everyone you won't negotiate doesn't win you votes. Democrats could still come out the winners just because of the initial anti-Republican backlash at the start of the shutdown, I suppose, but they're busy reversing it right now.

It's very doubtful you're going to get a vote on a clean CR in the House, so by insisting on it (or waiting until the political situation has shifted (which it might not at all) until you do) you're unconstructively prolonging the shutdown. There's no other way to look at it.

The 'piecemeal CRs' are utter BS and you know it.  The whole point is to get all of them passed except the one that funds Obamacare.  The strategy is completely transparent to even the densest people paying the slightest attention.

Republicans keep crying foul because Democrats "refuse" to negotiate on Obamacare.  Well, no sh[inks].  It's the f[inks]ing law.  It already passed, survived the SCOTUS, and survived a presidential election.  Negotiations ended a long time ago, and the GOP lost.  Get over it.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2013, 09:49:42 PM »

Republicans know that Obama is not going to sign off on an Obamacare repeal, so continuing to force the issue is what is is prolonging the shut down.

You could easily reverse the names, replace "repeal" with "funding", at get a statement about as valid.

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...

Huh?  The nation has been patiently and impatiently waiting for Boehner to bring up the clean CR for a vote for several days now.

What you've got is a series of proposals that the House GOP has passed to refund the government earlier today that Senate Democrats aren't just refusing to bring up for a vote (not a totally unreasonable position in and of itself if they think they can get something better), but they aren't merely refusing to negotiate, they're going on TV and loudly announcing that they won't be negotiating with the Republicans. I suppose it's a strategy to make Boehner crack (though it's telling in and of itself that the Republicans are the ones passing legislation while the Democrats are trying complex strategies to make the House leadership crack), but if it doesn't work it'll backfire on them heavily -- telling everyone you won't negotiate doesn't win you votes. Democrats could still come out the winners just because of the initial anti-Republican backlash at the start of the shutdown, I suppose, but they're busy reversing it right now.

It's very doubtful you're going to get a vote on a clean CR in the House, so by insisting on it (or waiting until the political situation has shifted (which it might not at all) until you do) you're unconstructively prolonging the shutdown. There's no other way to look at it.

There is, one based on facts.

The GOP could solve this right now, show leadership, do what they KNOW is right, tell the nutcases to back off, work with the Dems to pass the CR.

...beyond it being a very inadequate bill whose strongest argument is that it is a lesser evil compared to there being no government at all, again the reverse (why don't Democrats just pass the Republican piecemeal funding?) is just as valid of an argument.

If you don't see that, then you're truly delusional.

I see it, but if you don't see that the opposite is just as much the case you're the delusional one here.

If you can't see that Republicans caused the shutdown but Democrats are now prolonging it...

Huh?  The nation has been patiently and impatiently waiting for Boehner to bring up the clean CR for a vote for several days now.

What you've got is a series of proposals that the House GOP has passed to refund the government earlier today that Senate Democrats aren't just refusing to bring up for a vote (not a totally unreasonable position in and of itself if they think they can get something better), but they aren't merely refusing to negotiate, they're going on TV and loudly announcing that they won't be negotiating with the Republicans. I suppose it's a strategy to make Boehner crack (though it's telling in and of itself that the Republicans are the ones passing legislation while the Democrats are trying complex strategies to make the House leadership crack), but if it doesn't work it'll backfire on them heavily -- telling everyone you won't negotiate doesn't win you votes. Democrats could still come out the winners just because of the initial anti-Republican backlash at the start of the shutdown, I suppose, but they're busy reversing it right now.

It's very doubtful you're going to get a vote on a clean CR in the House, so by insisting on it (or waiting until the political situation has shifted (which it might not at all) until you do) you're unconstructively prolonging the shutdown. There's no other way to look at it.

The 'piecemeal CRs' are utter BS and you know it.  The whole point is to get all of them passed except the one that funds Obamacare.

That doesn't make them BS. You could just easily say (and I'm repeating myself because you all keep preempting my posts) that the clean CR is BS because the whole point of it is to fund Obamacare.

  The strategy is completely transparent to even the densest people paying the slightest attention.

It's not a secret.

Republicans keep crying foul because Democrats "refuse" to negotiate on Obamacare.  Well, no sh[inks].  It's the f[inks]ing law.  It already passed, survived the SCOTUS, and survived a presidential election.  Negotiations ended a long time ago, and the GOP lost.  Get over it.

You and I both know that there are endless examples of policies that have passed and then been repealed shortly thereafter through legislative action/public pressure/whatever, and that it's quite likely that sooner or later (or at some point already) you'll be the one calling for something that's already passed and survived to be repealed. Right now, the lack of Democratic negotiations is what is prolonging the shutdown -- they're waiting for Republican action, they've expressly stated that they won't negotiate come hell or high water, and they themselves are doing nothing at all (except try to bully House Republicans, but not very successfully in any case) to try to end the shutdown. The strategy is completely transparent to even the densest people paying the slightest attention.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2013, 09:52:57 PM »

What the hell is there even to negotiate??
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2013, 09:56:20 PM »

Why should it get funded while the Center for Disease Control is almost completely shutdown?
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2013, 09:58:36 PM »

What the hell is there even to negotiate??

How to end the government shutdown on some mutually acceptable terms...

What those would be, I don't know. But Republicans have at least indicated a willingness to try and find them, while Democrats have reacted by spitting in their faces.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2013, 09:59:44 PM »

What the hell is there even to negotiate??

Nothing. The GOP have gotten everything they've wanted, yet they still complain. Spoiled brats.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2013, 10:03:06 PM »

It's an utterly disingenuous tactic, and you're well aware of it, Vosem. Democrats aren't budging (so far) because caving to that tactic completely lets the Republicans off free from public outrage by reducing as much inconvenience of the government shutdown as possible, but still letting the Republicans grandstand over something that they're obsessed with on a level that no political party has been obsessed with anything in recent political history.

Democrats had one request: a clean, simple, funding resolution to keep the government funded until the Republicans turn around and do this all again in however long it takes for the funds to run out, as they've been wont to do. No special funding, just funding the laws and the programs on the books. Republicans don't want to fund one of those laws, so they caused the shutdown, and now that they're getting all sorts of flak for it, they want to mitigate the pain caused by the shutdown they caused so the media can move on and the public can forget about it, but they can still hold up Obamacare. If you proudly think that's an acceptable political move, and the fault of the evil Democrats for not gladly taking, you are a sociopath or completely ignorant.

There is nothing to negotiate. It's a law, and this is a funding debate, not a debate over a new health reform proposal. The time to replace the health care law was anytime in the last two and ahalf years+, and they declined to seriously do so. These constant "government by crisis/shutdown/temporary funding resolution" controversies have got to stop, are not how a country of this size and stature should be run, and is the fault of one group. Spoiler: It's not the Democrats.

What the hell is there even to negotiate??

How to end the government shutdown on some mutually acceptable terms...

What those would be, I don't know. But Republicans have at least indicated a willingness to try and find them, while Democrats have reacted by spitting in their faces.

There is one acceptable term: clean government funding, no strings attached. Republicans said no. That's the beginning and end of this debate. You are a crazy person.
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