Does the left not realize that Americans dont want the ACA?
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« on: October 03, 2013, 09:16:44 PM »

Polls literally havent changed on this issue for years. Stop pretending like your plan 1) will work, or 2) is popular. I'd assume you're smoking something but we cant have that legalized either because of O-moron.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 09:19:18 PM »

Of course they do not care. The fact that photo voter ID is settled law hasn't prevented the screeching.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 09:20:34 PM »



Suck it, bitch.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 09:23:49 PM »

Of course they do not care. The fact that photo voter ID is settled law hasn't prevented the screeching.

hey you know what else is settled law

obamacare

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 09:25:39 PM »

They do want the ACA... they just don't want Obamacare... oh wait.

Oh and House, Senate, Supreme Court, Presidential election... get the F over it!

The GOP doesn't want to be proven wrong again, this thing has the chance to get going, and it works? Good luck pulling it back.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2013, 09:28:09 PM »


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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2013, 09:31:38 PM »

Ok, a couple of questions:

1. What would you like in it's place? You can't just repeal something and not offer an alternative.

and

2. In case you haven't noticed, we have far bigger problems on our hands at the moment, and defunding Obamacare will not fix them.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2013, 09:32:09 PM »


This is misleading though because more voters in 2012 voted for a Democratic Congressperson
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 09:32:46 PM »

~40% approval is pretty solid relative to public opinion of many other federal government actions / nonactions/ programs / etc.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 09:33:02 PM »



Popular vote for US House of Representatives:

Republican Party: 58,541,130
Democratic Party: 60,252,696
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 09:38:15 PM »


Due to gerrymandering only.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 09:39:17 PM »


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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 09:42:10 PM »

The point was that because there is a Republican House, Obama has to deal with it; he doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wants and no amount of Internet screeching will give it to him. Whether the Republicans deserve a House majority is a separate issue; but that it exists is indisputable.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 09:42:34 PM »

I figure a thread with as trollish a title as this is a good place to post a story on call center employees in Nevada.


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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2013, 09:46:06 PM »

The point was that because there is a Republican House, Obama has to deal with it; he doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wants and no amount of Internet screeching will give it to him. Whether the Republicans deserve a House majority is a separate issue; but that it exists is indisputable.

Yes... but considering their 'negotiation' strategy is to ignore what happened in 2012, think 2010 was the jumping off point. It's hard to negotiate with someone when they say "so, unless we get EVERYTHING we want, and at the same time undermine something of yours and oh, you get nothing in return... we're burning the place down"...
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 09:47:00 PM »

The point was that because there is a Republican House, Obama has to deal with it; he doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wants and no amount of Internet screeching will give it to him. Whether the Republicans deserve a House majority is a separate issue; but that it exists is indisputable.

Your point failed and were shut down, no need to continue rambling, child. That is unless you want to get further read for nonsense, lol.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2013, 09:49:45 PM »

Of course they do not care. The fact that photo voter ID is settled law hasn't prevented the screeching.

hey you know what else is settled law

obamacare

BAM

The theory of settled law, whatever it means, applies to plenty of things. Sequestration is of course settled law.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2013, 09:53:37 PM »

Public opinion is notoriously unreliable. Most people contradict themselves. Public opinion also is subject to political manipulation.

Specific policy questions reveal, however, that Americans support what the GOP opposes, by and large-which includes the contents of "Obamacare."
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2013, 09:53:52 PM »

What's that? Oh, sorry, I can't hear you over how OVERWHELMINGLY SUCCESSFUL the program has been in a state that went 60% for the Monopoly Man last year.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2013, 09:54:09 PM »

The point was that because there is a Republican House, Obama has to deal with it; he doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wants and no amount of Internet screeching will give it to him. Whether the Republicans deserve a House majority is a separate issue; but that it exists is indisputable.

Yes... but considering their 'negotiation' strategy is to ignore what happened in 2012, think 2010 was the jumping off point. It's hard to negotiate with someone when they say "so, unless we get EVERYTHING we want, and at the same time undermine something of yours and oh, you get nothing in return... we're burning the place down"...

'It's hard' is not an excuse to not attempt to govern the country. Let's keep in mind that 2012 was a 'status quo election' that did not shift in any significant way the balance of power elected after 2010.

The point was that because there is a Republican House, Obama has to deal with it; he doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wants and no amount of Internet screeching will give it to him. Whether the Republicans deserve a House majority is a separate issue; but that it exists is indisputable.

Your point failed and were shut down, no need to continue rambling, child. That is unless you want to get further read for nonsense, lol.

Wow

Of course they do not care. The fact that photo voter ID is settled law hasn't prevented the screeching.

hey you know what else is settled law

obamacare

BAM
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Nothing's really settled until either its proponents or its critics stop being elected to office.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2013, 09:57:14 PM »

The Democrats are being blocked from governing the country by people who don't believe in a positive role for government, Vosem. The Republicans are doing this on purpose. There is no negotiation in good faith with them.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2013, 10:01:44 PM »

The Democrats are being blocked from governing the country by people who don't believe in a positive role for government, Vosem. The Republicans are doing this on purpose. There is no negotiation in good faith with them.

But the alternative (for the Democrats) seems to be waiting until Republicans come around to the Democrats' point-of-view, which isn't a very...realistic...strategy. It basically consists of agreeing with the more extreme parts of the Tea Party that, on the whole, they would like for the government shutdown to last as long as possible.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2013, 10:08:04 PM »

The Democrats are being blocked from governing the country by people who don't believe in a positive role for government, Vosem. The Republicans are doing this on purpose. There is no negotiation in good faith with them.

But the alternative (for the Democrats) seems to be waiting until Republicans come around to the Democrats' point-of-view, which isn't a very...realistic...strategy. It basically consists of agreeing with the more extreme parts of the Tea Party that, on the whole, they would like for the government shutdown to last as long as possible.

You do know that the continuing resolution is itself a compromise? You do know that "Obamacare" was a 90s Heritage Foundation plan?

Don't be ridiculous. You know as well as anyone that the GOP is not interested in compromise. They want Obama and the Democrats to come around to THEIR point of view. Which if you notice, they have on many substantial issues.

No, this is about saving face for the GOP. They have primary elections to worry about, where some right-wing billionaire can now pour as much money into any useful idiot's campaign, and the Tea Party nihilists will fall in line with voting for those candidates.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2013, 10:19:17 PM »

The point was that because there is a Republican House, Obama has to deal with it; he doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wants and no amount of Internet screeching will give it to him. Whether the Republicans deserve a House majority is a separate issue; but that it exists is indisputable.

Yes... but considering their 'negotiation' strategy is to ignore what happened in 2012, think 2010 was the jumping off point. It's hard to negotiate with someone when they say "so, unless we get EVERYTHING we want, and at the same time undermine something of yours and oh, you get nothing in return... we're burning the place down"...

'It's hard' is not an excuse to not attempt to govern the country. Let's keep in mind that 2012 was a 'status quo election' that did not shift in any significant way the balance of power elected after 2010.

The point was that because there is a Republican House, Obama has to deal with it; he doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wants and no amount of Internet screeching will give it to him. Whether the Republicans deserve a House majority is a separate issue; but that it exists is indisputable.

Your point failed and were shut down, no need to continue rambling, child. That is unless you want to get further read for nonsense, lol.

Wow

Of course they do not care. The fact that photo voter ID is settled law hasn't prevented the screeching.

hey you know what else is settled law

obamacare

BAM

Nothing's really settled until either its proponents or its critics stop being elected to office.
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In the case of sequestration, Barry was re-elected. The CR of course represents a massive spending increase over the settled law of Barry's sequestration.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2013, 10:29:17 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2013, 10:34:03 PM by Senator Sbane »

The point was that because there is a Republican House, Obama has to deal with it; he doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wants and no amount of Internet screeching will give it to him. Whether the Republicans deserve a House majority is a separate issue; but that it exists is indisputable.

Republicans can't even win in the Senate, which should favor Republicans since small states are disproportionately Republican. Republicans have no mandate to overturn Obamacare. If the US defaults, it is the Republicans fault. Nothing less.

There will be no compromise on Obamacare. None. Nothing at all. Get over it. Seriously, you lost in 2012. It's over man. You really want to burn the country down because the people didn't agree with you? If you think Obamacare is such a disaster, and the people hate it so much, then win an election or two. Win back the Senate, and even more importantly, win back the presidency while pledging to repeal Obamacare. You think the Republicans are capable of that? I don't think so. Small reforms to Obamacare will continue to happen. That is only logical. Repealing the whole thing is a pipe dream. Please mail me some of what you are smoking.
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