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« Reply #1125 on: July 26, 2015, 07:52:25 AM »

The problem is we do not have another America to fill.

Moreover those heading to the US in the past could work their way up. You got off the boat and could start doing some menial labor right away. What the hell is Europe going to do with hundreds of thousands of largely uneducated migrants on the other hand? We don't have enough jobs to go around for the existing blue collar segments of the population so most of the folks coming to Europe will wind up disillusioned and frustrated.
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« Reply #1126 on: July 26, 2015, 10:29:11 AM »

Another part of the "Profil" poll shows that Austrians are slightly opposed to non-citizen voting rights.

The question asks:

"Do you support the right to vote in state and municipal elections for non-citizens, if they have lived in Austria for at least 5 years ?"

43% are in favour (18% strongly, 25% somewhat)
54% are opposed (33% strongly, 21% somewhat)

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« Reply #1127 on: July 26, 2015, 11:29:35 AM »

500 protested today @ the Traiskirchen asylum camp for the refugees (mostly left-left wingers like university students and the KJÖ, as well as the refugees themselves), while 100 protested against (Austrian right-wingers like it more to protest at the ballot box). Police presence was massive to keep the protesters apart. But the protests were peaceful anyway.

Pics of the pro-refugee protest:







Anti-refugee protest:











Both sides next to each other:

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« Reply #1128 on: July 29, 2015, 01:27:35 PM »

Finally, the SPÖVP government is stepping up their game in enforcing the borders and rounding up the smugglers and illegals before they cross the border (well, 1 year too late, but it's better than the cluelessness that they portrayed until now):

Austria to get tough on people smugglers

 The interior and justice ministries have pledged to step up the fight against people smuggling, and have presented a “five point plan”. This includes an increase in the number of specialized investigative teams, stricter punishments for smugglers, more specialized prosecutors and increased enforcement along Austria’s borders.

Both Austrian and Hungarian officials will be involved in border checks, and controls are already taking place on trains leaving Budapest for Austria, Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner told Ö1 radio.

She added that she is talking to her Hungarian counterpart about how to facilitate a complete control of all incoming trains from Hungary, and how to monitor Hungarian railway stations.

The Ministry of Justice is planning to establish a team of specialized public prosecutors to deal with people smuggling cases.

http://www.thelocal.at/20150729/25-percent-increase-in-people-smuggling
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« Reply #1129 on: July 29, 2015, 03:16:44 PM »


Both Austrian and Hungarian officials will be involved in border checks, and controls are already taking place on trains leaving Budapest for Austria, Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner told Ö1 radio.

She added that she is talking to her Hungarian counterpart about how to facilitate a complete control of all incoming trains from Hungary, and how to monitor Hungarian railway stations.

Are these people coming by train?

With regard to the roads, I guess Klingenbach and Nickelsdorf are the most important border crossings at which they will implement strict border controls?
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« Reply #1130 on: July 29, 2015, 03:35:21 PM »

SPÖVP has found a new topic to bridge the "summer hole" and now wants to end the so-called "cold progression" or "bracket creep":

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http://derstandard.at/2000019495496/Neues-Steuerzuckerl-bringt-Budgetpfad-ins-Wanken

This would help the average Austrian worker get another 50-150€ a month in wage.


Ugh. Sadly this is still a problem in my province. Thankfully, the problem was fixed about 15 years ago at the federal level.
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« Reply #1131 on: July 29, 2015, 04:01:21 PM »

Finally, the SPÖVP government is stepping up their game in enforcing the borders and rounding up the smugglers and illegals before they cross the border (well, 1 year too late, but it's better than the cluelessness that they portrayed until now):

Austria to get tough on people smugglers

 The interior and justice ministries have pledged to step up the fight against people smuggling, and have presented a “five point plan”. This includes an increase in the number of specialized investigative teams, stricter punishments for smugglers, more specialized prosecutors and increased enforcement along Austria’s borders.

Both Austrian and Hungarian officials will be involved in border checks, and controls are already taking place on trains leaving Budapest for Austria, Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner told Ö1 radio.

She added that she is talking to her Hungarian counterpart about how to facilitate a complete control of all incoming trains from Hungary, and how to monitor Hungarian railway stations.

The Ministry of Justice is planning to establish a team of specialized public prosecutors to deal with people smuggling cases.

http://www.thelocal.at/20150729/25-percent-increase-in-people-smuggling

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« Reply #1132 on: July 31, 2015, 12:41:46 AM »


Both Austrian and Hungarian officials will be involved in border checks, and controls are already taking place on trains leaving Budapest for Austria, Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner told Ö1 radio.

She added that she is talking to her Hungarian counterpart about how to facilitate a complete control of all incoming trains from Hungary, and how to monitor Hungarian railway stations.

Are these people coming by train?

With regard to the roads, I guess Klingenbach and Nickelsdorf are the most important border crossings at which they will implement strict border controls?

Yes, many asylum seekers are coming by overnight train from Budapest. Just recently, there have been many cases with hundreds of asylum seekers coming out of night trains in Salzburg and Vienna, because the German train conducter threw them out before entering Germany or was about to call the police ahead of the German border. People smugglers provide them with the train tickets in Hungary. Others are crammed into small buses, like a recent case in which 40 people were stuck in there in a small van and the doors locked. All of this is disgusting, but that doesn't mean we should not step up the border enforcement ...

PS: Yes, the Hungarian border will be the most checked in the coming months, especially the border checkpoints near the highways and the last stops in Hungary for the overnight-trains.


Please explain what your post means ... Tongue

Are you a supporter of people smuggling ? What exactly do you find wrong about these common-sense policies that I posted in the article ? It seems the naivity of the left-left wingers on this forum is becoming increasingly evident ...
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« Reply #1133 on: July 31, 2015, 01:46:28 PM »

An apparent illegal party financing scandal hits the FPÖ (apparently, suitcases full of money have been transferred from a Carinthian think-tank agency to the FPÖ's headquarter in Vienna).

The FPÖ denies it, saying the accusations are coming from the marxist "Falter" newspaper.

The Austrian corruption prosecution office is still investigating it.

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/innenpolitik/4783803/Illegale-Parteienfinanzierung_Nur-Schall-und-Rauch-?

New Gallup poll shows that it's not having any impact on the FPÖ numbers so far:



http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/FPOe-Affaere-schadet-Strache-nicht/198426162

Understandable, because the FPÖ is like teflon right now in this heated asylum-climate ...
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« Reply #1134 on: July 31, 2015, 01:54:16 PM »

Meanwhile here in Salzburg, where the FPÖ split into 2 pieces recently, the splinter-party of Karl Schnell lost a legal battle against the federal party of HC Strache:

After the split, Schnell named his party FPS (Freedom Party of Salzburg), but the court issued a prohibition order that requires the FPS to remove the word "freedom" or "freedomite" (=> freiheitlich) from its party name, because this is a USP for the FPÖ and therefore cannot be used by another party, also to avoid confusion for future voters.

Schnell now said the party will be called "Free Party of Salzburg", which means FPS could be retained.

http://derstandard.at/2000020052513/Gericht-untersagt-Namen-von-Schnells-Freiheitlicher-Partei-Salzburgs
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« Reply #1135 on: August 01, 2015, 12:27:25 AM »

The FPÖ pulls within 2% of the SPÖ in a new Gallup poll for the Oct. 11 Vienna state election:



This is the closest gap so far. Also, turnout could benefit from this coming SPÖ-FPÖ mobilisation battle.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Wien-Strache-knapp-an-Haeupl-dran/198553564
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« Reply #1136 on: August 01, 2015, 09:39:57 AM »

2 more Team Stronach MPs switched to the ÖVP parliamentary club today (after 2 did so in June):



This is a massive blow to the Team Stronach, which is already in a "death fight" and with Kathrin Nachbaur switching - even more so. Nachbaur was once Frank Stronach's "girl for everything" and his closest friend.

http://derstandard.at/2000020092796/Nachbaur-und-Ertlschweiger-wechseln-von-Stronach-in-OeVP-Klub

This means NEOS now has more MPs than Team Stronach (9 vs. 7) and that the ÖVP has almost overtaken the SPÖ in terms of seats (51 vs. 52):



2 are currently Indys (ex-FPÖ MPs that were thrown out of the party).
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« Reply #1137 on: August 02, 2015, 12:51:26 AM »

The newspaper Ö24 or "Österreich" is running a story today which suggests that the Vienna-SPÖ has basically given up their hopes of winning Vienna again, because they only start their election campaign 1 month before the election on October 11.

Are their internal polls really that bad ? Crazy how the mighty have fallen.

The SPÖ might as well drop to 30% and the FPÖ winning 35% if the current trends continue ...
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« Reply #1138 on: August 02, 2015, 06:10:58 AM »

Ballot status update for the Upper Austria and Vienna state elections:

Upper Austria (Sept. 27) - signatures needed: 400 statewide (5x80 in each election district)

* ÖVP (on the ballot statewide)
* SPÖ (on the ballot statewide)
* FPÖ (on the ballot statewide)
* Greens (on the ballot statewide)
* NEOS (on the ballot statewide)
* KPÖ (still collecting signatures, but looking good for statewide candidacy)
* Team Stronach (not running)
* BZÖ (not running)
* Pirates (not running)

Vienna (Oct. 11) - signatures needed: 1.800 citywide (18x100 in each election district)

* SPÖ (on the ballot citywide)
* FPÖ (on the ballot citywide)
* Greens (on the ballot citywide)
* ÖVP (on the ballot citywide)
* NEOS (on the ballot citywide)
* Wien Anders (still collecting signatures, but looking good for citywide candidacy, 85% done)
* Free Democrats (still collecting signatures, about 100% done in the 1st election district)
* Turkish List (no info available)
* Team Stronach (not running)

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Wien Anders ("A different Vienna") is a leftist election platform consisting of the KPÖ, Pirates, the "Real Greens" and Independents.
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« Reply #1139 on: August 02, 2015, 09:01:47 AM »

Another interesting fact:

If another MP from the Team Stronach switches over to the ÖVP, the ÖVP not only has the same number of MPs as the SPÖ, but ÖVP and FPÖ would also be within reach of their own parliamentary majority:

52 seats - ÖVP
38 seats - FPÖ
90 seats, out of 183

Together with the 2 Ex-FPÖ MPs that are now Indys, they would already have a 92-91 majority.

If another 3 Team Stronach MPs would switch to the ÖVP, they would have their own majority ...
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« Reply #1140 on: August 02, 2015, 11:40:41 AM »

Another interesting fact:

If another MP from the Team Stronach switches over to the ÖVP, the ÖVP not only has the same number of MPs as the SPÖ, but ÖVP and FPÖ would also be within reach of their own parliamentary majority:

52 seats - ÖVP
38 seats - FPÖ
90 seats, out of 183

Together with the 2 Ex-FPÖ MPs that are now Indys, they would already have a 92-91 majority.

If another 3 Team Stronach MPs would switch to the ÖVP, they would have their own majority ...
Why was ÖVP+FPÖ+TS no option after the elections? Too problematic/right-wing for the centrist ÖVP + bad experience with FPÖ in government, I guess?
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« Reply #1141 on: August 02, 2015, 12:22:10 PM »

Another interesting fact:

If another MP from the Team Stronach switches over to the ÖVP, the ÖVP not only has the same number of MPs as the SPÖ, but ÖVP and FPÖ would also be within reach of their own parliamentary majority:

52 seats - ÖVP
38 seats - FPÖ
90 seats, out of 183

Together with the 2 Ex-FPÖ MPs that are now Indys, they would already have a 92-91 majority.

If another 3 Team Stronach MPs would switch to the ÖVP, they would have their own majority ...
Why was ÖVP+FPÖ+TS no option after the elections? Too problematic/right-wing for the centrist ÖVP + bad experience with FPÖ in government, I guess?

No, it had actually not much to do with the ÖVP: Frank Stronach ruled out a coalition with the FPÖ after the 2013 election, saying they are "too far to the right" (Frank Stronach himself is in fact very liberal on immigration, contrary to his "Team". I guess most TS MPs would not have had a problem with an ÖVP-FPÖ-TS coalition, but the "Frank" is still the decider).

Also, of course the ÖVP was not amused either with a FPÖ coalition ...
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« Reply #1142 on: August 02, 2015, 12:48:02 PM »

Another interesting fact:

If another MP from the Team Stronach switches over to the ÖVP, the ÖVP not only has the same number of MPs as the SPÖ, but ÖVP and FPÖ would also be within reach of their own parliamentary majority:

52 seats - ÖVP
38 seats - FPÖ
90 seats, out of 183

Together with the 2 Ex-FPÖ MPs that are now Indys, they would already have a 92-91 majority.

If another 3 Team Stronach MPs would switch to the ÖVP, they would have their own majority ...
Why was ÖVP+FPÖ+TS no option after the elections? Too problematic/right-wing for the centrist ÖVP + bad experience with FPÖ in government, I guess?

No, it had actually not much to do with the ÖVP: Frank Stronach ruled out a coalition with the FPÖ after the 2013 election, saying they are "too far to the right" (Frank Stronach himself is in fact very liberal on immigration, contrary to his "Team". I guess most TS MPs would not have had a problem with an ÖVP-FPÖ-TS coalition, but the "Frank" is still the decider).

Also, of course the ÖVP was not amused either with a FPÖ coalition ...
Interesting. Team Stronach is a strange party. The only Western European parties I would compare them to (but only to a certain extent) are the AfD in its earliest of days (the "new" AfD would probably be excluded by TS as well...) and Liberal Alliance in Denmark. But for Team Stronach, the story seems to be over after 2017. Most TS supporters will likely flock to FPÖ, ÖVP, or NEOS (in that order) in the next elections, I suppose?
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« Reply #1143 on: August 02, 2015, 12:59:02 PM »

Another interesting fact:

If another MP from the Team Stronach switches over to the ÖVP, the ÖVP not only has the same number of MPs as the SPÖ, but ÖVP and FPÖ would also be within reach of their own parliamentary majority:

52 seats - ÖVP
38 seats - FPÖ
90 seats, out of 183

Together with the 2 Ex-FPÖ MPs that are now Indys, they would already have a 92-91 majority.

If another 3 Team Stronach MPs would switch to the ÖVP, they would have their own majority ...
Why was ÖVP+FPÖ+TS no option after the elections? Too problematic/right-wing for the centrist ÖVP + bad experience with FPÖ in government, I guess?

No, it had actually not much to do with the ÖVP: Frank Stronach ruled out a coalition with the FPÖ after the 2013 election, saying they are "too far to the right" (Frank Stronach himself is in fact very liberal on immigration, contrary to his "Team". I guess most TS MPs would not have had a problem with an ÖVP-FPÖ-TS coalition, but the "Frank" is still the decider).

Also, of course the ÖVP was not amused either with a FPÖ coalition ...
Interesting. Team Stronach is a strange party. The only Western European parties I would compare them to (but only to a certain extent) are the AfD in its earliest of days (the "new" AfD would probably be excluded by TS as well...) and Liberal Alliance in Denmark. But for Team Stronach, the story seems to be over after 2017. Most TS supporters will likely flock to FPÖ, ÖVP, or NEOS (in that order) in the next elections, I suppose?

The next elections are planned for 2018 (=> 5-year term), but yes you are right - TS is dead already and their supporters have virtually all gone to the FPÖ and a small share maybe to ÖVP or NEOS or into the non-voter segment.
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« Reply #1144 on: August 02, 2015, 01:04:27 PM »

Another interesting fact:

If another MP from the Team Stronach switches over to the ÖVP, the ÖVP not only has the same number of MPs as the SPÖ, but ÖVP and FPÖ would also be within reach of their own parliamentary majority:

52 seats - ÖVP
38 seats - FPÖ
90 seats, out of 183

Together with the 2 Ex-FPÖ MPs that are now Indys, they would already have a 92-91 majority.

If another 3 Team Stronach MPs would switch to the ÖVP, they would have their own majority ...
Why was ÖVP+FPÖ+TS no option after the elections? Too problematic/right-wing for the centrist ÖVP + bad experience with FPÖ in government, I guess?

No, it had actually not much to do with the ÖVP: Frank Stronach ruled out a coalition with the FPÖ after the 2013 election, saying they are "too far to the right" (Frank Stronach himself is in fact very liberal on immigration, contrary to his "Team". I guess most TS MPs would not have had a problem with an ÖVP-FPÖ-TS coalition, but the "Frank" is still the decider).

Also, of course the ÖVP was not amused either with a FPÖ coalition ...
Interesting. Team Stronach is a strange party. The only Western European parties I would compare them to (but only to a certain extent) are the AfD in its earliest of days (the "new" AfD would probably be excluded by TS as well...) and Liberal Alliance in Denmark. But for Team Stronach, the story seems to be over after 2017. Most TS supporters will likely flock to FPÖ, ÖVP, or NEOS (in that order) in the next elections, I suppose?

Team Stronach was (note the use of the past tense!) not really comparable to any other European party as it never was any more than a personal vehicle attracting protest voters. It was like if Donald Trump or any other elder, bored and eccentric businessmen founded a party; ideology was ever secondary to personality and a constant issuing of controversial statements.

Rather primarily to the FPÖ. TS voters were always no more than protest voters, so it's highly likely that they will flock to the other protest party - the FPÖ. I also have a hard time imaging a TS-NEOS voter, given the demographics of those parties voter pool are as different as between nearly no other parties (older working class types, often in smaller, industrial cities in more rural regions vs wealthy-ish young-ish urban big city academics or professionals)
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« Reply #1145 on: August 02, 2015, 01:21:52 PM »

Our reckless SPÖVP government, which is responsible for turning the city of Traiskirchen into a 3rd world city, has now finally decided to lock down the asylum seeker camp there and stop further intakes. Also Amnesty International will take a close look at the camp next week and it's disgusting situation, with 3000 people homeless there and people urinating into the yards of Austrians living there because they have no toilets to go to. The situation has become not only unbearable for the asylum seekers, but also for the Austrians living there as well (which of course you cannot speak out loud, because then you are considered a "Nazi"). Most want to move away, but cannot sell their houses because nobody would even pay a cent to live there right now. So they turn to protests:



Refugee intake halted at 'inhumane' camp

Austria's main refugee processing centre will temporarily halt its intake of asylum seekers at the overcrowded camp, officials said on Friday, after the UN described conditions there as "dangerous and inhumane".

 The centre in Traiskirchen, 20 kilometres south of Vienna, would no longer accept new migrants as of next Wednesday, Lower Austrian governor Erwin Pröll said.

The camp, which is meant to house 1,800 people, currently holds more than twice as many -- 4,500 refugees. Nearly half of them do not have a bed.

"Authorities are taking a clear step with this measure to avoid a further influx into the Traiskirchen camp," Pröll told the press.

He said he had taken the decision after many of the registered migrants had failed to present themselves for a health check-up to assess potential risks of epidemic.

As a result, an "accurate appraisal" of the camp population's general health had not been possible, which represented a risk from a medical point of view.

During a recent visit to the camp, the representative of the UN's refugee agency, Christopher Pinter, described the situation in Traiskirchen as "inadmissible, dangerous and inhumane".

Human rights group Amnesty International is due to inspect the camp in the coming days.

Austria, a country of 8.5 million people, received more than 28,000 asylum requests in 2014, three times the European average relative to population size.

It expects at least 75,000 asylum seekers to arrive by the end of this year, with a majority coming via Serbia and Hungary.

http://www.thelocal.at/20150731/austria-to-halt-refugee-intake-at-inhumane-camp
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« Reply #1146 on: August 03, 2015, 09:54:35 AM »

This thread has basically become "blabla asylum seekers blablabla asylum seekers blabla FPÖ doin' good blabla asylum seekers blablabla FPÖ benefitting from asylum seekers blablabla" ad nauseam. Saddening.
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« Reply #1147 on: August 03, 2015, 10:29:06 AM »

Sadly theres no way to push them back to italy right?

Italian rescue missions should of had an objective of returning them to Libya, not let them into italy.
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« Reply #1148 on: August 03, 2015, 10:56:01 AM »

This thread has basically become "blabla asylum seekers blablabla asylum seekers blabla FPÖ doin' good blabla asylum seekers blablabla FPÖ benefitting from asylum seekers blablabla" ad nauseam. Saddening.

This. I think Tender is wrong about the asylum seekers' issue, but what is most frustrating is how his asylum blog has become a replacement for analysis and discussion in this thread.
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« Reply #1149 on: August 03, 2015, 11:17:26 AM »

Well, I'm thinking one reason this thread has lots of asylum discussion is that the issue is, or has the potential to become the key one in the next election, regardless of how we feel the Austrian government is handling it.
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