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Question: Laissez Faire or Welfare State?
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« on: October 10, 2013, 03:59:41 PM »
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=180324.0

In the last poll (above) I had four options, Socialism, Laissez Faire, Welfare State, and Statism. But Statism practically got no votes, and Socialism only got a few votes from the far lefties. So, D's will go overwhelmingly for Welfare State, that's obvious, but it'll be interesting to see where the I's and possibly even R's go in this poll.

Again, here are the basic Wiki articles about each idea/theory:

Laissez Faire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire

Welfare State: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state

Laissez Faire (I/O)
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2013, 04:02:07 PM »
Neither. Laissez faire is great in theory, but could only succeed in complete anarchy, and complete anarchy is awful in theory Tongue.

I don't mind a small welfare state, but I would prefer it be administrated on a local level and be limited.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2013, 04:02:26 PM »
Welfare state (D/normal)
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2013, 04:02:43 PM »
Welfare State (human)
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2013, 04:49:07 PM »
Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on October 10, 2013, 04:02:07 PM

I don't mind a small welfare state, but I would prefer it be administrated on a local level and be limited.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2013, 05:33:34 PM »
Welfare state (D)
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2013, 05:40:39 PM »
Quote from: ElectionsGuy on October 10, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
So, D's will go overwhelmingly for Welfare State, that's obvious, but it'll be interesting to see where the I's and possibly even R's go in this poll.
Why would anyone who prefers a Socialist State prefer Laissez-Faire over a Welfare State?

That would be like someone who when told they can't have Kobe beef decides they'd prefer store-brand Vienna sausages over USDA Choice.  (And to the people of Vienna, I do apologize to them for the abomination we call a Vienna sausage over here in the US.)
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2013, 05:49:21 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 06:17:36 PM »
Write-in: Cooperative utopian communism (idealist)
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2013, 06:25:26 PM »
Quote from: ElectionsGuy on October 10, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
[...]and Socialism only got a few votes from the far lefties.

20% - not a million miles away from the 34.3% you laissez faire lot obtained.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2013, 06:58:51 PM »
The doctrine of laissez faire was to the nineteenth century what Leninism was to the twentieth.
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2013, 07:11:41 PM »
Welfare state (normal).

Only children on the internet and ignorant libertarians (but I repeat myself) would vote any other way.
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2013, 07:20:52 PM »
« Edited: October 10, 2013, 07:22:27 PM by ElectionsGuy »
Quote from: Acting like I'm Morrissey w/o the wit on October 10, 2013, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: ElectionsGuy on October 10, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
[...]and Socialism only got a few votes from the far lefties.

20% - not a million miles away from the 34.3% you laissez faire lot obtained.

Yes, but with the massive amount of liberals on this site 20% of the vote is quite low.

Quote from: True Federalist on October 10, 2013, 05:40:39 PM
Why would anyone who prefers a Socialist State prefer Laissez-Faire over a Welfare State?

That would be like someone who when told they can't have Kobe beef decides they'd prefer store-brand Vienna sausages over USDA Choice.  (And to the people of Vienna, I do apologize to them for the abomination we call a Vienna sausage over here in the US.)

Not really sure what I was thinking, I didn't think Socialism votes would translate into Laissez Faire votes, but just that independents would be interesting to be watch in general.  Mainly though the purpose of this poll was to narrow it down.
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2013, 09:24:48 PM »
Really depends on where you draw the line between laissez-faire and welfare state.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2013, 09:30:49 PM »
Quote from: Sibboleth on October 10, 2013, 06:58:51 PM
The doctrine of laissez faire was to the nineteenth century what Leninism was to the twentieth.

only one the the above had a namesake, an embodiment, a Word become Flesh.
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2013, 09:42:00 PM »
Other (workers' state where all are guaranteed the full fruits of their labor), which I guess is closer to the humanistic capitalism that is the modern Nordic welfare state.
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2013, 09:53:12 PM »
Quote from: Snowstalker on October 10, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
workers' state where all are guaranteed the full fruits of their labor

are you content with just being a socialist meme.
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2013, 11:17:01 PM »
Quote from: Snowstalker on October 10, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
Other (workers' state where all are guaranteed the full fruits of their labor), which I guess is closer to the humanistic capitalism that is the modern Nordic welfare state.
sounds Randite to me.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2013, 12:32:15 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2013, 05:38:59 AM »
Quote from: ElectionsGuy on October 10, 2013, 07:20:52 PM
Quote from: Acting like I'm Morrissey w/o the wit on October 10, 2013, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: ElectionsGuy on October 10, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
[...]and Socialism only got a few votes from the far lefties.

20% - not a million miles away from the 34.3% you laissez faire lot obtained.

Yes, but with the massive amount of liberals on this site 20% of the vote is quite low.

Wut. Conflating liberals with socialists...
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2013, 10:06:51 AM »
Quote from: Snowguy716 on October 10, 2013, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: Snowstalker on October 10, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
Other (workers' state where all are guaranteed the full fruits of their labor), which I guess is closer to the humanistic capitalism that is the modern Nordic welfare state.
sounds Randite to me.

Not at all; the welfare state is only necessary within capitalism  because workers are generally unable to survive on just their labor, as the ruling class extracts said fruits. That's what wage labor is; theft.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2013, 08:01:40 AM »
The welfare state isn't perfect, but its better than most alternatives I've seen.
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2013, 11:04:28 AM »
Between these two, welfare state obviously.  But I would prefer the something more satisfying...
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2013, 11:38:30 AM »
Quote from: Snowstalker on October 11, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
Not at all; the welfare state is only necessary within capitalism  because workers are generally unable to survive on just their labor, as the ruling class extracts said fruits. That's what wage labor is; theft.

Where did you steal that one from; Marxism for Infants?
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2013, 12:23:24 PM »
Mostly Laissez Faire (R)
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