NBC/WSJ Poll: Shutdown has been disaster for the Republican Party, in every way

[Lief 🗽]

Everything in the NBC/WSJ poll released tonight is a disaster for the GOP.

-The public blames the GOP for the shutdown instead of Obama by a 53-31 margin (a larger margin than during the Gingrich shutdown!) More people are saying they're personally affected than did in 95-96, and more people are saying the shutdown is very serious than did in 95-96.

-Only 24% of respondents have a favorable view of the GOP, the lowest every recorded in this poll

-The Democrats have grown their generic ballot lead to eight percent (47-39), which corroborates findings from Quinnipiac and PPP that the Democrats would take control of the House if elections were held today

-Obama's approval is actually up slightly since September, to 47% from 45%

-Approval for Obamacare has even increased!

In conclusion, thank you Ted Cruz!

[Mehmentum]

The question is, how will this effect them in the long run? 

[Bandit3 the Worker]

The question is, how will this effect them in the long run? 

It sure as crap won't help them.

[7,052,770]

Republicans don't believe polls.  This won't faze them.

[Sbane]

The people overwhelmingly blame congress for this. This does not necessarily mean Republican, mind you, but they blame congress. They do not blame Obama. Some partisan Republicans might but they are irrelevant. In the end I think this does hurt Republicans, but I think it is clear to see that it does not hurt Obama or Obamacare.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

The people overwhelmingly blame congress for this. This does not necessarily mean Republican, mind you, but they blame congress. They do not blame Obama. Some partisan Republicans might but they are irrelevant. In the end I think this does hurt Republicans, but I think it is clear to see that it does not hurt Obama or Obamacare.

Gerrymandering almost guarantees that they won't be as punished as they deserve to, it MIGHT damage the accepted wisdom that the Dems are set to lose the Senate in 2014...

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Gerrymandering almost guarantees that they won't be as punished as they deserve to, it MIGHT damage the accepted wisdom that the Dems are set to lose the Senate in 2014...

Whose accepted wisdom is that?  My impression had been that ever since the Dems did better in the 2012 Senate races than expected the conventional wisdom was that while they would likely lose a few seats, it was unlikely they'd lose the Senate.  After all, they need to lose 6 current seats to lose control, assuming Booker regains NJ for the Dems as expected.  Even before this mess that looked highly unlikely, and I dare say that right now it is impossible, tho events could change that.

[The Mikado]

-Approval for Obamacare has even increased!

From 31% to 38%, which is a pretty significant jump.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sadly, 8 points isn't enough to retake the House. Democrats need to win by 7-8% of those who actually vote, and midterm turnout with an incumbent Democratic President is going to favor Republicans.

Thanks to gerrymandering, we could be stuck with 218+ treasonous blackmailers in the House for the next 9 years.

[memphis]

Republicans don't believe polls.  This won't faze them.

Not just polls. The Republicans are wary of all data and information. They seem to doubt even the scientific method of investigation. Everything for them is about emotions, conventional folk wisdom and  provocative anecdotes. That's no basis for policy decisions.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Republicans don't believe polls.  This won't faze them.

That's not true.  The sane ones do, and we're terrified of what's going to happen to us in 2014.

[All Along The Watchtower]

This is what happens when a handful of irrational extremists are given the power to make a party's agenda, and the rest of that party blindly follows the party line.

The Democrats, as disorganized as they are, have at least some measure of accountability in regards to the relationship between party leaders and activists/voters.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Republicans don't believe polls.  This won't faze them.

That's not true.  The sane ones do, and we're terrified of what's going to happen to us in 2014.

You mean all four of them?

[barfbag]

I'm seeing a lot of partisanship on this thread. Us bickering over who will benefit from others being out of work seems pretty out of touch to me. Don't you agree it's better for us to find common ground? What's even worse is that neither side is asking for much.

[Mehmentum]

I'm seeing a lot of partisanship on this thread. Us bickering over who will benefit from others being out of work seems pretty out of touch to me. Don't you agree it's better for us to find common ground? What's even worse is that neither side is asking for much.

Arguing over who will politically benefit from X event is pretty much the entire purpose of this forum.  It's not like anything we say on here will have an impact on the shutdown. 

[Holmes]

Can we get Speaker Pelosi back so that there may be real leadership again?

[opebo]

I'm seeing a lot of partisanship on this thread. Us bickering over who will benefit from others being out of work seems pretty out of touch to me. Don't you agree it's better for us to find common ground? What's even worse is that neither side is asking for much.

Wrong, the Rs are making absurd demands which are entirely impossible to meet.

[TNF]

I'm seeing a lot of partisanship on this thread. Us bickering over who will benefit from others being out of work seems pretty out of touch to me. Don't you agree it's better for us to find common ground? What's even worse is that neither side is asking for much.

No

[Oakvale]

I'm seeing a lot of partisanship on this thread. Us bickering over who will benefit from others being out of work seems pretty out of touch to me. Don't you agree it's better for us to find common ground? What's even worse is that neither side is asking for much.

Jesus, what are you, CNN? This false equivalency nonsense is the worst thing about the shutdown slimdown©.

Here's Oakvale's Brief History of The Attempts To Repeal Obamacare, presented free of charge as a public service.

1. The administration begins to work on a centrist healthcare reform law large built on idea endorsed by the Heritage Foundation and Newt Gingrich. Republicans immediately decide this is Marxism and rednecks across the nation petition their representatives to keep the government out of their socialised healthcare.

2. After a contentious debate and much pandering from coward right-wing Democrats, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act aka Obamacare passes the House and the Senate and is signed into law by the President.

3. Republican crybabies immediately begin futile efforts to repeal the law by holding a bunch of meaningless votes to do so.

4. The Republican Party takes the House, but fails to take the Senate let alone come anywhere close to a veto-proof majority. Aware that there remains no chance that the President will sign a bill repealing the most significant social policy accomplishment in a generation the Republican House nonetheless decides that the Bill is unconstitutional and attempts to repeal it anyway.

5. As Republicans wait for vindication of their argument that Obamacare is unconstitutional, the Supreme Court of the United States, the arbiter of how the term "constitutional" is legitimately applied, rules, led by George W. Bush appointee John Roberts, that the central foundation of the bill, the individual mandate, is, in fact constitutional. Legal scholar Rand Paul response "just because some people on the Supreme Court decide something is constitutional doesn't make it so". The Republican Party wets itself en masse and continues trying to repeal the law.

6. President Obama handily defeats Republican candidate Mitt "Mittens" Romney to be comfortably re-elected to a second term as President. Romney spent much of the campaign vowing to repeal Obamacare and the law was a major issue in the election. Republicans lose seats in both Houses of Congress to the pro-Obamacare Democratic Party.

7. Emboldened by the widespread rejection of their agenda, Republicans courageously fight to save America once again by voting to repeal Obamacare another eighty thousand times. The odds of this happening are even lower than before given the increased Democratic Senate majority and the fact that the namesake of the bill will be in office until 2017.

8. As the bizarre technicality known as the "debt ceiling" approaches, the Republicans, riding on a wave of popular support in their own rural and suburban hellhole districts, decide the most justifiable course of action is to hold the global economy to ransom by throwing a massive tantrum, shutting down the government, and threatening to cause a second Great Depression unless the Democratic Party (winners, national popular vote, Congressional elections, 2012) and President Barack Obama (winner, national popular and electoral vote, Presidential election, 2012) join in their unhinged reactionary circlejerk and repeal a decidedly centrist healthcare law. Economic terrorism is the order of the day as Republicans adopt a posture of moral outrage at the idea that Obama should refuse to negotiate with these psychopaths.

WHY CAN'T WE FIND SOME COMMON GROUND? BOTH SIDES ARE EQUALLY TO BLAME.

[All Along The Watchtower]

oakvale's post should be read aloud repeatedly at CNN et al.

Masterful, bro.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Sadly, 8 points isn't enough to retake the House.

especially since this is a poll of adults, not registered voters.

[Link]

Thank you, oakvale.  I am sick of the false equivalency troll popping up everywhere.  The Republicans had more than enough opportunity for YEARS to shape the healthcare debate.  Enough is enough.  For the good of the country the president needs to step on their necks.  Holding the country hostage is no way for the House to behave regardless of whether they are Democrats or Republicans.

[Beezer]

I'm seeing a lot of partisanship on this thread. Us bickering over who will benefit from others being out of work seems pretty out of touch to me. Don't you agree it's better for us to find common ground? What's even worse is that neither side is asking for much.

There is a common ground. It's the "clean" CR which is essentially the original Ryan budget on steroids.

[hopper]

I'm seeing a lot of partisanship on this thread. Us bickering over who will benefit from others being out of work seems pretty out of touch to me. Don't you agree it's better for us to find common ground? What's even worse is that neither side is asking for much.

There is a common ground. It's the "clean" CR which is essentially the original Ryan budget on steroids.

Well the $$$ number that Harry Reid has for a Clean CR is pretty much the same as House Republicans want. I don't know about the Ryan Budget or something like it be enacted in full will happen.

On a side note the Hard Right doesn't care about polls. They want their agenda to go through no matter at whatever poltical cost there is.

[hopper]

I'm seeing a lot of partisanship on this thread. Us bickering over who will benefit from others being out of work seems pretty out of touch to me. Don't you agree it's better for us to find common ground? What's even worse is that neither side is asking for much.

I wish the hard right knew that they had to find common ground let alone liberal dems.