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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: October 12, 2013, 03:37:32 AM »

Understanding "modern elite liberals " as the liberals who have generally replaced traditional left-liberal emphasis on combating poverty and unemployment, creating broad-based economic growth, helping workers receive higher wages and benefits through labor unions, providing access to health care, education, and social assistance,  and working towards civil rights for minorities....

...replaced with a focus on environmental protection, equality of opportunity in the workplace for women, gays, and minorities, a "creative class" outlook and social base, a desire for increased protection of civil liberties, an idealistic internationalist foreign policy, a bias in attitude in favor of cities and urbanization,  an appreciation of "organic food", a heavily secular ethics, a pluralistic/multicultural understanding of where America is headed, great respect for "tolerance" and difference of opinion,  and of course, support for liberalized sexual and gender attitudes.

Have at it. Tongue








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All Along The Watchtower
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2013, 02:02:54 PM »

What a ridiculously-worded, (mis)leading question.  I don't even know where to begin.

Then please, begin.
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2013, 02:37:30 PM »

What a ridiculously-worded, (mis)leading question.  I don't even know where to begin.

Then please, begin.

I would if I knew where. Tongue

But, seriously, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by putting "elite" in there as if to say that all modern liberals are "elites" (hint: false, and if that's not what you mean then you have a false dichotomy right off the bat), or that modern liberals don't care about the top things (again, very false), or that only "elites" care about the bottom half (still false- whether you're looking at old liberals or modern non-elites), or really the silly level of pigeonholing going on here in general (different people care about different things, even within the umbrella of "liberals" of course).

As for the topic, I'm going to answer HP since I believe that elitism is inherently illiberal and should have no place in any left wing party.

Most of the ideas that the OP mistakenly credits the paternalistic neoliberal owner class with are Freedom Ideas though.

Obviously we have pretty different cultural backgrounds but I would certainly affirm that your second sentence is spot-on.  I will quibble with the first sentence insofar as I believe rather strongly that anti-intellectualism is a greater danger, both historically and today, than elitism. While the two are certainly not antonyms per se I find that a lot of particularly dangerous and potent anti-intellectual movements have hidden behind a mask of "populist" anti-elitism, and thus pretty badly tarnished its brand.  Obviously this is not a universal.

Not all modern liberals are "elite", true. But, a good deal of them, those who drive the overall liberal movement especially, are more economically affluent and especially better-educated (which is often correlated with affluence) than the general population.

You do make some good points though, and I agree with you about the history of  "populist" movements using "anti-elitism" to enact their reactionary agendas. And yeah, I know I'm making generalizations here, perhaps too much, but surely you can see some merit to what I'm saying? Tongue
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