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Darth Plagueis
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« on: October 13, 2013, 09:44:33 PM »

...and the parties stayed the exact same as the 70s and 60s...who would YOU support?.
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2013, 09:46:51 PM »

I would more enthusiastically support the Democrats than I do today, because the Democrats of the preceding time period had a working class base and acted on behalf of their interest in most cases (obviously not all, see: Vietnam), as opposed to now when the parties are little more than competing cliques of the owner class
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2013, 09:55:27 PM »

I would be a Nixon/Ford/GHWB Republican.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2013, 09:58:07 PM »

I would probably still be a right of center person, but less enthusiastic about the republicans. Of course the sad thing is that I'm more pleased with Nixon/Ike conservatism than Tea Party conservatism, so I guess things wouldn't be too different.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2013, 10:00:07 PM »

I would probably still be a right of center person, but less enthusiastic about the republicans. Of course the sad thing is that I'm more pleased with Nixon/Ike conservatism than Tea Party conservatism, so I guess things wouldn't be too different.

What do you dislike about the tea party conservatism?. My problem with it is, many members attack Obamacare (rightfully so) but don't attack Bushes massive expansion of Medicare/RX plan and foreign wars waged by Bush.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2013, 10:01:25 PM »
« Edited: October 13, 2013, 10:03:59 PM by Scott »

I would still be a Democrat, though I can see myself occasionally pulling the lever for a Republican every once in a great while.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2013, 10:12:18 PM »

I would be a Nixon/Ford/GHWB Republican.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2013, 10:15:00 PM »

I would probably still be a right of center person, but less enthusiastic about the republicans. Of course the sad thing is that I'm more pleased with Nixon/Ike conservatism than Tea Party conservatism, so I guess things wouldn't be too different.

What do you dislike about the tea party conservatism?. My problem with it is, many members attack Obamacare (rightfully so) but don't attack Bushes massive expansion of Medicare/RX plan and foreign wars waged by Bush.

When the tea party first came out I liked it, but eventually I got annoyed by it. The thing is, their plans are unrealistic and way too conservative for the country, they have to understand that we have to work within the political system to get stuff done, that we need all ideologies, parties, etc. whether moderate or not. On top of that, their propaganda is way too... out there, I'll just say that.

But the thing that has especially annoyed me is the constant need for perfect (for them) candidates. I've been saying this for a while now, "we should elect the best candidates, not the most conservative candidates". The tea party has thrown out moderate candidates (in primaries) and elected 1. candidates who were too conservative to win the state (Sharron Angle) or 2. stupid candidates that make stupid comments in the campaign season who make the other person win (Todd Akin). That has costed the republicans 4 freaken seats at least.

If you want, I'll go more in depth, but that's a brief explanation.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2013, 10:45:27 PM »

Why do people, moderates, liberals, etc., like to pretend that Nixon was "sensible"? I'd advise that you learn your history to an extent more than "OMG, passed progressive legislation".
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2013, 11:36:00 PM »

Why do people, moderates, liberals, etc., like to pretend that Nixon was "sensible"? I'd advise that you learn your history to an extent more than "OMG, passed progressive legislation".

Given today's Tea Party brand Republicans, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to say he was sensible.  That said, I was also under the delusion that Nixon was a progressive president at one time.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2013, 11:56:58 PM »

Well, look at my username, and then take a guess.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2013, 12:22:17 AM »

I would more enthusiastically support the Democrats than I do today, because the Democrats of the preceding time period had a working class base and acted on behalf of their interest in most cases (obviously not all, see: Vietnam), as opposed to now when the parties are little more than competing cliques of the owner class
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2013, 01:41:56 AM »

I'm more in line with the Democratic Party of the 70's than the current party.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2013, 02:03:27 AM »

Probably would be a registered Democrat supporting them on a Congressional and local level and a swing voter for President (since the Democrats had a tendency to nominate weak candidates with the exceptions being LBJ and Humphrey in this period) and perhaps for some good Senators and Governors (ie Rockefeller or George Romney).
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2013, 11:29:55 AM »

Why do people, moderates, liberals, etc., like to pretend that Nixon was "sensible"? I'd advise that you learn your history to an extent more than "OMG, passed progressive legislation".

Given today's Tea Party brand Republicans, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to say he was sensible.  That said, I was also under the delusion that Nixon was a progressive president at one time.

The thing is, people seem to think that "sensibility" and all that other crap is dependent purely on one's political compass score, which is ridiculous. Let's look at what Nixon did with his time in power. In economic policy, he purposefully created a looser monetary supply to give a short-term boost to the economy that he knew wouldn't end well, but needed in order to win re-election. As if Johnson's spending hadn't primed the economy enough to self-destruct in the 70's, Nixon did nothing but add to it. In foreign policy, he purposefully extended the Vietnam War so as to win re-election, getting exactly nothing out of it other than political gain. I don't call that sensible and anyone that proudly aligns with that is utterly ridiculous. Not to mention the ultimate failure of detente, his attempts to dodge de-segregregation, his actions in the last few weeks before election day, 1968, the Plumbers, etc. Jesus Christ, you people.
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2013, 11:32:37 AM »

And if y'all don't like Reagan, stop voting so enthusiastically for the guy that helped bring together the political coalition that Reagan won on. Jesus.
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2013, 11:43:45 AM »

More enthusiastically Democratic.  I sure do wish we had awesome politicians like Abe Ribicoff, Mo Udall, Bella Abzug, Birch Bayh, Frank Church, Walter Mondale, Shirley Chisholm, Ron Dellums, and Fred Harris.  Just as a side note, without the Reagan revolution, we probably would've seen gay rights progress MUCH faster than in rl, too.  Perhaps we could've seen federal gay marriage rights come in during the 90's under President Paul Wellstone...oh, nostalgia.
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2013, 11:57:25 AM »

Probably still a Republican but I'd vote Democrat from time to time, either for an evangelical like Carter or against a socially liberal GOPer like Rockefeller.
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2013, 12:00:33 PM »

I would likely still be Green and sympathize with socialist elements in the New Left.

If Clinton's half of the Reagan revolution failed there is some chance I would be a reluctant Democrat arguing for reforms to simplify policy and reduce bureaucracy. Or maybe the Libertarian Party would hold more appeal, at least on balance, since they'd be one of the only parties left that are neither imperialist, corporatist, nor eagerly in favor of "big" government?

It is hard to say really. I grew up in the '90s and may have developed a different set of perspectives if not for what was going on at the time.
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2013, 12:03:53 PM »

Straight ticket every election.
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2013, 07:53:29 PM »

I would still be a Democrat, probably a more enthusiastic one.
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2013, 08:22:34 PM »

I would still be a Democrat, probably a more enthusiastic one.
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2013, 09:51:02 PM »

The idea that the Republicans were less racist/more liberal in the 1960s or 1970s as a whole is hilarious, once one remembers that Nixon won on an implicitly racist platform in 1968 and created the modern prison-industrial state. (Liberal apologists for Nixon are obviously the worst people in the world, too, but that goes without saying)
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2013, 01:22:00 AM »

Would vote Republican or third party (let's assume the Constitution and Libertarian Parties still exist), depending on the candidate.
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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2013, 01:36:31 AM »

The idea that the Republicans were less racist/more liberal at any point in post-Civil War American history as a whole is hilarious


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