The myth of the "Liberal Northern Republican" that just won't die
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« on: October 14, 2013, 10:07:46 PM »

Seth Ackerman has a great post over at Jacobin dissecting the fashionable nonsense on the left these days of comparing the Tea Party to the old Confederacy or John C. Calhoun or whatever. Perhaps this will finally put to rest the nonsensical idea that Northern Republicans prior to the 1960s were the "liberals" and the Democrats prior to the 1960s were the "conservatives."

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There's a lot more where this came from. Definitely worth the read.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 11:15:31 PM »

Republicans have shifted far to the right since those days.


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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 11:40:55 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2013, 11:45:12 PM by Progressive Realist »

Great thread: Republicans have always been quite right-wing, regardless of geography. The "Rockefeller" Republicans were an exception historically-and even a lot of that was political calculation in states that were becoming friendlier to New Deal Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 11:57:56 PM »

Hi!
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 12:36:34 AM »

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That is a hell of a sentence. A good read all around.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2013, 01:01:20 AM »
« Edited: October 15, 2013, 01:04:01 AM by Progressive Realist »

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That is a hell of a sentence. A good read all around.

Indeed. The fact that (roughly and routinely) half the population does not bother to vote at all in the presidential election-which tends to have the highest voter turnout- should be damning evidence against our overall system and structure of government.

And of those who do vote, how many of them really have their voices heard or are represented in the government?

People talk about the public in America as if they are stupid. That misses the point-the public don't have much of a voice to begin with under our system.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2013, 01:12:37 AM »

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Well, JohnsonCare got 7% more Republican votes than ObamaCare.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2013, 07:41:29 PM »

The Republicans have to show themselves thoroughly awful before they lose. So it was in the 1950s and so it is today.

I have seen many people describe themselves as "Eisenhower" or "Rockefeller" Republicans who vote Democratic in current elections.

As for the South -- the South alternates between eras of populism and reaction -- and it is only a matter of time before poor white realize that they are getting the shaft hard.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2013, 07:49:27 PM »

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That is a hell of a sentence. A good read all around.

Indeed. The fact that (roughly and routinely) half the population does not bother to vote at all in the presidential election-which tends to have the highest voter turnout- should be damning evidence against our overall system and structure of government.

And of those who do vote, how many of them really have their voices heard or are represented in the government?

People talk about the public in America as if they are stupid. That misses the point-the public don't have much of a voice to begin with under our system.


Dont have much of a voice? Relative to what country? The fact that half the country doesnt vote is not based on the fact that people hate the system. its a conbination of not caring, and being discouraged with the 2 criminal gangs we have running the country. Ultimately, our system does a fine job of letting people have a voice. The problems arise when politicians dont listen.

Thats an entirely different story   
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 01:57:21 AM »

Fascinating article. The breakdown of the votes were in particular enlightening.

As for the South -- the South alternates between eras of populism and reaction -- and it is only a matter of time before poor white realize that they are getting the shaft hard.

I think there may be a similar trend in the Republican Party of liberalism and reaction:
Antislavery reformism/"Radical Republicanism"-Gilded Age pro-business Republicans-Progressive Era-Roaring '20s/Anti-New Deal/Red-Baiting Era-Postwar Moderation-Reagan Revolution/Tea Party
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