Italian Elections and Politics 2018: Yellow Tide

[Хahar 🤔]

PD candidates for EU elections

www.partitodemocratico.it/doc/267035/i-candidati-alle-elezioni-europee-2014.htm

All the list leaders are women. That's a pretty refreshing sign.

And 4/5 are exceptionally good-looking

That's a pretty irrelevant sign.

You live in a different world than most of us if you believe looks don't play a role in politics.

Penis voting isn't a thing.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Antonio, what if anything do you know about these people as individuals?

Not much, tbh. Moretti and Bonafè are mid-level political figures who are sometimes mentioned in the news, but I can't remember which currents they hail from. The other three I hadn't heard about before.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Xahar is correct.

[Andrea]

Bonafé is from Renzi's camp.

Moretti arrived on the national scene as Bersani's press spokepersone during his primary campaign

Picierno is close to Franceschini.

Mosca worked for Letta.

Caterina Chinnici is a magistrate and didn't previously take part to elective political world.

Nicolini (mayor of Lampedusa) withdrew from Sicily-Sardinia list after being placed third.
Emiliano (mayor of Bari) is also threatening withdrawal

Anyway they are open list. So voters can list preferences and elected MEPs won't depend on the list place. Obviously being at the top helps but some people in second or third position will likely beat the current head of lists.

[Diouf]

PD candidates for EU elections

www.partitodemocratico.it/doc/267035/i-candidati-alle-elezioni-europee-2014.htm

I see Cecilie Kyenge is running. So we know what Lega Nord will campaign on in Nord Est...

[Andrea]

Eu elections Polls (9-11 April)....Datamaedia/Piepoli/IPSOS/EMG/IXE'
 
PD 31.3/33/33.9/33.9/32.2%
M5S 24.3/24.5/22.3/22.5/25.2%
FI 20/19/20.5/20.9/19.1%
NCD-UDC 5/6/5.3/5.1/5.2%
Lega 5/4/5.8/4.4/5.3%
Tsipras 3.9/4.5/3.1/3.1/4.2%
Brothers of Italy 3.3/3.5/3/3.4/3.6%
Civic Choice & Co 2.3/2.4/3.4/2.1/1.9%

[Antonio the Sixth]

Marcello Dell'Utri, a longtime friend of Berlusconi's and founding member of the original Forza Italia, fled the country yesterday while the Cassation Court was expected to deliver the final verdict on charges of association with the mafia. He was just caught in Lebanon and is expected to soon be extradited.

[Senator Cris]

Paolo Bonaiuti, the historical spokesman of Berlusconi, leaves Forza Italia. Probably, he  enters in the New Centreright.
The New Centreright, in his costituent assembly, elected Angelino Alfano president of the party.

[SPQR]

Antonio, what if anything do you know about these people as individuals?

Not much, tbh. Moretti and Bonafè are mid-level political figures who are sometimes mentioned in the news, but I can't remember which currents they hail from. The other three I hadn't heard about before.

Bonafè is a long-standing Renzi supporter.
Moretti was one of the three "youngsters" chosen by Bersani to accompany him during the '13 political elections,but since then she has distanced herself from the PD minority.
Chinnici is the daughter of a judge killed by the mafia in the 80's.

[RogueBeaver]

The Renzi effect: still have to pop the M5S bubble.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The Renzi effect: still have to pop the M5S bubble.

I'm not so sure it's really a bubble, at this point. Theoretically, this would be the ideal time for M5S to collapse, considering Renzi's dynamism and their own internal strifes. Yet their polling numbers have barely budged since 2013. It's pretty clear they now have a floor of about 15-20%, that even Renzi can't really crack.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yesterday Renzi presented his final plan for the 1000€ income tax cut.

There are a few disappointments. The measure is covered only for the year 2014 (though he promised to make it permanent), and more importantly, it doesn't cover the lowest incomes (those who didn't even pay taxes). Still, it's better than nothing. And Renzi found different ways to cut spending without really hurting the social safety net, which is a welcome change from previous governments.

[Andrea]

Euro poll in the Corriere this morning

PD 35% (28 seats + 1 for SVP)
M5S 21.4% ((18 seats)
Forza Italia 19.6% (17)
New Centre Right 6.4% (5)
Lega 4.9% (4)
Brothers of Italy 3.8%
European Choice 3.5%
Tsipras 2.9%

[SPQR]

Yesterday Renzi presented his final plan for the 1000€ income tax cut.

There are a few disappointments. The measure is covered only for the year 2014 (though he promised to make it permanent), and more importantly, it doesn't cover the lowest incomes (those who didn't even pay taxes). Still, it's better than nothing. And Renzi found different ways to cut spending without really hurting the social safety net, which is a welcome change from previous governments.

He promised a measure within the next weeks for the even-lower incomes.

[RogueBeaver]

Berlusconi says for Germans, "concentration camps never existed."

[njwes]

Berlusconi says for Germans, "concentration camps never existed."

"A Berlusconi stalwart, former education minister Mariastella Gelmini, dismissed the flap as campaign propaganda."

Lol, ok.

The weirdest part is that it seems like there was absolutely 0 reason to even approach that topic in the first place.

[Keystone Phil]

Berlusconi says for Germans, "concentration camps never existed."

Probably see a small bump in the polls, to be honest.

"OMG FILIPPO WHY R U DEFENDING HIM?!? DISGUSTING AND TYPICAL!!!"

I'm not.

Glad we got that out of the way.

[SPQR]

Berlusconi says for Germans, "concentration camps never existed."

"A Berlusconi stalwart, former education minister Mariastella Gelmini, dismissed the flap as campaign propaganda."

Lol, ok.

The weirdest part is that it seems like there was absolutely 0 reason to even approach that topic in the first place.

Forza Italia's campaign is purely anti-german.
Their motto is "more Italy and less Germany in the EU"...

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Berlusconi says for Germans, "concentration camps never existed."

"A Berlusconi stalwart, former education minister Mariastella Gelmini, dismissed the flap as campaign propaganda."

Lol, ok.

The weirdest part is that it seems like there was absolutely 0 reason to even approach that topic in the first place.

I can see a big reason.

"OMG people stop talking about Renzi!! Pay attention to me!! See how wacky I am! GUYS!"

[Antonio the Sixth]

"OMG people stop talking about Renzi!! Pay attention to me!! See how wacky I am! GUYS!"

Nailed it.

[RogueBeaver]

Classic RL trolling from him, if a bit more vile than usual.

[Keystone Phil]

Berlusconi says for Germans, "concentration camps never existed."

"A Berlusconi stalwart, former education minister Mariastella Gelmini, dismissed the flap as campaign propaganda."

Lol, ok.

The weirdest part is that it seems like there was absolutely 0 reason to even approach that topic in the first place.

Forza Italia's campaign is purely anti-german.
Their motto is "more Italy and less Germany in the EU"...

Right and they did it last year, too. And don't you think that works?

[RogueBeaver]

Why am I not surprised that Berlusconi has Cosa Nostra links?

[SPQR]

Why am I not surprised that Berlusconi has Cosa Nostra links?

It's been known for decades.

[Antonio the Sixth]

OK guys, let's switch here for comments on the Renzislide and its aftermath.