Study: Lesbian Couples Twice as Likely to Divorce as Gay Couples

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Forgive me for not believing boasts of sexual and romantic success from a guy who's method of getting sex is paying foreign prostitutes.

Uh, he did say "I'm basing my analysis on looking at society, not my own anecdotal experience."

[Kitteh]

Forgive me for not believing boasts of sexual and romantic success from a guy who's method of getting sex is paying foreign prostitutes.

Uh, he did say "I'm basing my analysis on looking at society, not my own anecdotal experience."

Sure he did. But nobody who has had mutually fun, positive, reciprocal sexual relationships with women seriously believes this whole "women are asexual b*tches who just use sex to steal guys' money" bs

[minionofmidas]

I never said they mightn't 'do it well' (a subjective and ephemeral concept anway).  What I was pointing out is the motivations for engaging in the relationship at all are sorely lacking.  In a m-f relationship the male gets a bit of sex and the woman gets all she trades for the sex... in a m-m relationship they both get sex... and in a f-f relationship what do they get?

sex

If good sex is your only reason for marriage... We should be surprised your divorce rate is still below 100%. It's not as if better sex isn't available elsewhere.

[opebo]

Forgive me for not believing boasts of sexual and romantic success from a guy who's method of getting sex is paying foreign prostitutes.

Uh, he did say "I'm basing my analysis on looking at society, not my own anecdotal experience."

Sure he did. But nobody who has had mutually fun, positive, reciprocal sexual relationships with women seriously believes this whole "women are asexual b*tches who just use sex to steal guys' money" bs

Sure one would, girlfriend.  I never said 'bitches' - I never use pejorative terms about the ladies.  But just because I had some sexual fun with girls I liked back in my 20s and 30s doesn't mean that there isn't a bigger picture out there.  You need to look beyond your own anecdotes, man.

Forgive me for not believing boasts of sexual and romantic success from a guy who's method of getting sex is paying foreign prostitutes.

Quite frankly it seems bizarre to me that anyone would call having normal relationships during ones youth through very early middle age, and participating in a normal 'sexual life' something to 'boast' about.  To think that this sort of bland normality is boastworthy sounds to me like the supposition of a nerd or geek virgin.

In any case as one gets old all that is behind one.  With what sexually attractive woman could an old man such as myself have intercourse now, sans prostitution, drj?

[Beet]

I thought marriage was based on love and commitment, not a desire for sex? If it's the latter I'd think you would expect promiscuity and high divorce rates. Having sex with the same person over and over again must become tiring.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I thought marriage was based on love and commitment, not a desire for sex? If it's the latter I'd think you would expect promiscuity and high divorce rates.

You do realize both exist at record high numbers, right?

[Beet]

I thought marriage was based on love and commitment, not a desire for sex? If it's the latter I'd think you would expect promiscuity and high divorce rates.

You do realize both exist at record high numbers, right?

Among gay men and women? 3 percent and 6 percent don't seem very high to me, granted we haven't a full generation yet to measure.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I thought marriage was based on love and commitment, not a desire for sex? If it's the latter I'd think you would expect promiscuity and high divorce rates.

You do realize both exist at record high numbers, right?

Among gay men and women? 3 percent and 6 percent don't seem very high to me, granted we haven't a full generation yet to measure.

Ok, I thought you meant marriage to include all marriages......hetero and gay.

[Beet]

Hetero divorce rates are about 35 years away from a record.

[opebo]

Hetero divorce rates are about 35 years away from a record.

Promiscuity, too, alas.

[Kitteh]

Forgive me for not believing boasts of sexual and romantic success from a guy who's method of getting sex is paying foreign prostitutes.

Quite frankly it seems bizarre to me that anyone would call having normal relationships during ones youth through very early middle age, and participating in a normal 'sexual life' something to 'boast' about.  To think that this sort of bland normality is boastworthy sounds to me like the supposition of a nerd or geek virgin.

For most people I wouldn't consider maintaining normal human relationships anything special, but given that we're talking about you here it is indeed quite surprising.

[opebo]

For most people I wouldn't consider maintaining normal human relationships anything special, but given that we're talking about you here it is indeed quite surprising.

Just because I'm accessing the easy option of professionals in my decrepitude doesn't mean I always did so.  You do realize that life is entirely different for a fellow in his middle forties than one in his middle twenties?

[Gustaf]

I thought marriage was based on love and commitment, not a desire for sex? If it's the latter I'd think you would expect promiscuity and high divorce rates. Having sex with the same person over and over again must become tiring.

No offense, but as a self-identified asexual you may not be the best judge of this, to be honest. Sex can be varied in a lot of different ways and variety is not always what one values the most anyway.

[afleitch]

I thought marriage was based on love and commitment, not a desire for sex? If it's the latter I'd think you would expect promiscuity and high divorce rates. Having sex with the same person over and over again must become tiring.

No offense, but as a self-identified asexual you may not be the best judge of this, to be honest. Sex can be varied in a lot of different ways and variety is not always what one values the most anyway.

Well it can be 'tiring'. But not in the way he thinks

[Beet]

Oh sure Gustaf. Dont worry about stepping on my toes on this, I know I don't know. Anyway, happy to be corrected.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Of course, the discussion just had to devolve on sex. This is the Atlas Forum, after all.

[Peeperkorn]

There's virtually no motivation to stay together when neither party wants sex and only wants to take advantage of the other.

lol

[Gustaf]

I thought marriage was based on love and commitment, not a desire for sex? If it's the latter I'd think you would expect promiscuity and high divorce rates. Having sex with the same person over and over again must become tiring.

No offense, but as a self-identified asexual you may not be the best judge of this, to be honest. Sex can be varied in a lot of different ways and variety is not always what one values the most anyway.

Well it can be 'tiring'. But not in the way he thinks

Haha, that is a very true point. I have both experienced and caused sexual OD and it's not as fun as one would imagine.

[RI]

1. Nearly 150,000 same-sex couples have either married or registered civil unions or domestic partnerships, which constitutes about one-fifth of same-sex couples in the U.S. (or rather, a fifth of those who acknowledged themselves as such in recent United States Census reports).

2. About 1% of the total number of currently-married or registered same-sex couples get divorced each year, in comparison to about 2% of the total number of married straight couples. Note that the percentage of couples that get divorced eventually is close to 50%, but only 1% or 2% of them get divorced in any particular year.

3. Couples are more likely to legally formalize their relationship when marriage is an option, as opposed to a marriage-equivalent domestic partnership or civil union registration in states where only those options are allowed...

Also, sex isn't only putting a **** in a vagina or ***hole, for those who think so, are probably horrible at sex.

First of all, is this not a copyright violation? Second, the second bullet is demonstrably false.

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It's not that surprising if you consider that in heterosexual marriages, the woman files for divorce about 2/3rds of the time.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Forgive me for not believing boasts of sexual and romantic success from a guy who's method of getting sex is paying foreign prostitutes.

Uh, he did say "I'm basing my analysis on looking at society, not my own anecdotal experience."

Sure he did. But nobody who has had mutually fun, positive, reciprocal sexual relationships with women seriously believes this whole "women are asexual b*tches who just use sex to steal guys' money" bs

Just like it is dumb for Opebo to insinuate that this "bs" is always the case... it is mighty shortsighted of you to say it never happens.

Women use sex as a weapon or bargaining chip all the time.  Like Republicans who twist in circles to prove they're not racist... I don't buy it when women twist in circles to prove they're not catty, either.

But that's because nearly every woman I know uses sex as a weapon to get what they want.

As a faygut... most of my friends are women.  And as a faygut, they seem to think I wanna hear about what they do with their vajayjays (which, just no)