NC 2016 Gubernatorial Discussion Thread

[Cynthia]

McCrory used to be Charlotte's mayor--that's a liberal city just went to Clinton 60-30--for 16 years. What figure has he become?

[Miles]

^ Yeah, I would have probably voted for him in 2008, too (was slightly too young).

He definitely wasn't the ideological hack he is now.

[Indy Texas]

^ Yeah, I would have probably voted for him in 2008, too (was slightly too young).

He definitely wasn't the ideological hack he is now.

Did he just completely overdose on Koch/Pope/ALEC/AFP Kool-Aid immediately upon taking office? I mean, seriously, what happened to the guy after 2012?

[Miles]

^ When he went to run again in 2012, he we afraid of a primary challenge from the right, IIRC. He never got one, but must have kept that mindset. With the polarization increasing, I guess he thought his best bet was to keep tying his race to the national party.

Reminds me a lot of Bobby Jindal's trajectory as well.

[Miles]

This is still mostly the election day vote (whats available ATM), but here's McCrory (red) vs Trump (blue). Looks like McCrory got a fair hurricane boost out east:

[Miles]

^ Yeah, especially in places like Robeson County. Even when Dalton was losing by 12% last time, he still outperformed Obama there (60% vs 58%).

[Suburbia]

Whoever wins from this bitter election, McCrory or Cooper, will lead a very divided North Carolina. Just like Trump and America. Cooper should not run for reelection in 2020 if he wins and let a new Democrat run.

[Miles]

^ NC was already pretty bitterly divided before this election.

[publicunofficial]

Whoever wins from this bitter election, McCrory or Cooper, will lead a very divided North Carolina. Just like Trump and America. Cooper should not run for reelection in 2020 if he wins and let a new Democrat run.

So it doesn't matter if Cooper proves to be a popular governor?

Also, should every candidate who wins by a close margin decline to run again? Should Trump? Or just the candidates you don't like?

[windjammer]

Miles, are there many ballots going to be invalidated?

[Figueira]

Whoever wins from this bitter election, McCrory or Cooper, will lead a very divided North Carolina. Just like Trump and America. Cooper should not run for reelection in 2020 if he wins and let a new Democrat run.

So it doesn't matter if Cooper proves to be a popular governor?

Also, should every candidate who wins by a close margin decline to run again? Should Trump? Or just the candidates you don't like?

Reminds me of Wulfric's proposal that Baker should run unopposed because he has high approvals.

[Gass3268]

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[Suburbia]

Whoever wins from this bitter election, McCrory or Cooper, will lead a very divided North Carolina. Just like Trump and America. Cooper should not run for reelection in 2020 if he wins and let a new Democrat run.

So it doesn't matter if Cooper proves to be a popular governor?

Also, should every candidate who wins by a close margin decline to run again? Should Trump? Or just the candidates you don't like?

If Trump doesn't, maybe. Cooper, maybe. I was just making a suggestion.

[Miles]

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Splendid news!

[Gass3268]

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Splendid news!

You know how big this number needs to grow to in order to get out of the shenanagins zone?

[DrScholl]

It seems like the Republican legislature will elect McCrory no matter how many more votes Cooper has. What is there to stop them? They have zero to lose because the map is gerrymandered, so there is no prospect of them losing control in future elections.

[Dr. Arch]

It seems like the Republican legislature will elect McCrory no matter how many more votes Cooper has. What is there to stop them? They have zero to lose because the map is gerrymandered, so there is no prospect of them losing control in future elections.

If they do such an undemocratic and disgusting thing, I'm not sure how outraged I will be, but it will be a ridiculous level of it.

[Cashew]

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Splendid news!

You know how big this number needs to grow to in order to get out of the shenanagins zone?

Under 10,000 Vote gap is eligible for a recount.

[Sorenroy]

Wake County just dumped an unusually large number of provisionals (likely because of the voting mashing issues) and Cooper has taken a wide lead with them. Assuming that the non-provisional to provisional ballot ratio is the same as in 2012, McCrory would need to win 68% of the remaining provisionals to win. Unfortunately, that goes both ways, as Cooper would need 70% of remaining provisionals to get out of that 10,000 recount range.

[Miles]

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[Virginiá]

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Miles - if you don't mind explaining, under what circumstances could the legislature actually hand the office back to McCrory? I don't know the process other than, I think, it has something to do with a recount?

[Miles]

^ It happened in 2004 with the Superintendent of Public Instruction's race.

Dr. Atkinson (who was actually narrowly upset herself this year) was leading by about 8,500 votes. Her opponent was contesting 11,000 provisional ballots. After more than six months, the Assembly (controlled by Dems at the time) voted to seat Atkinson.

This article explains it well. There was a voting machine in 2004 that actually malfunctioned and lost 4,000 votes - there were no lost votes this time, so that should make it less likely to be kicked to the Assembly.

[ApatheticAustrian]

if cooper wins, the biggest injustice of this election is going to be paid - at least in a symbolic way.

i agree with some republicans that democrats sometimes make too much out of suppression charges but what happened in NC was just terrifying.

[Virginiá]

Ah I see. Thanks! On a side note, it's quite amazing how split the NC electorate is. Almost all the statewide partisan races were decided by tiny margins, save for the Lt Gov race, which was still nothing substantial either.

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Ah I see. Thanks! On a side note, it's quite amazing how split the NC electorate is. Almost all the statewide partisan races were decided by tiny margins, save for the Lt Gov race, which was still nothing substantial either.

Dan Forest only won the Lieutenant Governor race by such a large margin because of his campaign signs.