IDS1: Dignity of the Flag Act (DEBATING)

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Debate away kids (and draw up flags I guess)

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I... wasn't aware there were regulations we had to go by to submit flag designs.  Regardless, I'll post both my proposals.  Also, I think there's a typo in this bill, as that law is from 2004, though I think we should consider whether we need those regulations.

Flag:


Coat of Arms:

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I was actually thinking about designing a new flag that meets the standards of our flag regulations law, but I can't understand those standards at all.  I am offering an amendment:

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[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Bump.

[Dereich]

I was actually thinking about designing a new flag that meets the standards of our flag regulations law, but I can't understand those standards at all.  I am offering an amendment:

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You don't like golden fringe on our flags?

I don't really have a preference for which design is used; practically anything is better than the current one.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I was actually thinking about designing a new flag that meets the standards of our flag regulations law, but I can't understand those standards at all.  I am offering an amendment:

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You don't like golden fringe on our flags?

I don't really have a preference for which design is used; practically anything is better than the current one.

I suppose I don't have a problem with golden fringe, but those design instructions are extremely specific.  Would you be okay with nixing the design requirements and keeping the fringe?

[Dereich]

Well, I didn't think it was a priority before, but since you mention it maybe the amendment should be something like this:

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[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Alright.  In that case, I'll withdraw my amendment.

What do the Emperor and my fellow Reps think of the flag designs?  Are there any other proposals we should consider?

[Dereich]

Griffin had a suggestion which was this:



and Enderman described one which was this:

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[Enderman]

sorry about the mental-picture only guys... My paint sucks. :s

[Enderman]

bump

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I think Adam did a nice job with the flag and all; my only objections are the unnecessary orbs surrounding the emblem, and the fact that the emblem itself only represents the state of Georgia.  I still prefer my own flag, but I don't want to force it into the bill.  Perhaps a vote of some sort should be in order?

As for Enderman's proposal, I really can't visualize what's in the text.  Perhaps he'd be willing to draw a rough concept design in Paint and let Adam or myself remake it?

[Enderman]

I think Adam did a nice job with the flag and all; my only objections are the unnecessary orbs surrounding the emblem, and the fact that the emblem itself only represents the state of Georgia.  I still prefer my own flag, but I don't want to force it into the bill.  Perhaps a vote of some sort should be in order?

As for Enderman's proposal, I really can't visualize what's in the text.  Perhaps he'd be willing to draw a rough concept design in Paint and let Adam or myself remake it?

You should make it, or lets go on to my Mibbit office and we could discuss it...

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I think Adam did a nice job with the flag and all; my only objections are the unnecessary orbs surrounding the emblem, and the fact that the emblem itself only represents the state of Georgia.  I still prefer my own flag, but I don't want to force it into the bill.  Perhaps a vote of some sort should be in order?

As for Enderman's proposal, I really can't visualize what's in the text.  Perhaps he'd be willing to draw a rough concept design in Paint and let Adam or myself remake it?

You should make it, or lets go on to my Mibbit office and we could discuss it...

You don't understand.  I can't simply draw what someone tells me to draw.  I guarantee you it will come out completely different from what you'd like it to be.  A few shapes made in MS Paint will at least give me a layout to work with.  You don't even have to draw freehand; just use the shape tools and neatly label everything.

[Enderman]

I think Adam did a nice job with the flag and all; my only objections are the unnecessary orbs surrounding the emblem, and the fact that the emblem itself only represents the state of Georgia.  I still prefer my own flag, but I don't want to force it into the bill.  Perhaps a vote of some sort should be in order?

As for Enderman's proposal, I really can't visualize what's in the text.  Perhaps he'd be willing to draw a rough concept design in Paint and let Adam or myself remake it?

You should make it, or lets go on to my Mibbit office and we could discuss it...

You don't understand.  I can't simply draw what someone tells me to draw.  I guarantee you it will come out completely different from what you'd like it to be.  A few shapes made in MS Paint will at least give me a layout to work with.  You don't even have to draw freehand; just use the shape tools and neatly label everything.

oh okay...

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Reality-check, folks: The seal of Georgia has already been stolen by a rather distinct entity in Atlasia. It is basically the logo of the Labor Party (see here: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/images/b/b5/LaborLogo.png).

I can't support putting partisan symbols into our regional flag.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

In a little while, I'm going to move to amend the bill so that it includes my flag and coat of arms if we don't get any new proposals.  I also can't support partisan symbols in our flags.

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I'm extremely busy so I haven't had the time to propose something of my own, but Scott's flag is way too busy/messy and having writing on flags is in almost every case terrible from a vexillological standpoint. The coat of arms is nice but the Southern Cross obviously needs to go, we're not in the Southern Hemisphere; the general design also looks a bit too Christian (it reminds me of the logo of the DC).

Somebody should go on Wikipedia and look at some of the flags of subnational entities in places like Russia, Spain, Brazil etc for ideas.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Sorry if the quality on that last one is a little bad.

[Adam Griffin]

I think Adam did a nice job with the flag and all; my only objections are the unnecessary orbs surrounding the emblem, and the fact that the emblem itself only represents the state of Georgia.  I still prefer my own flag, but I don't want to force it into the bill.  Perhaps a vote of some sort should be in order?

Reality-check, folks: The seal of Georgia has already been stolen by a rather distinct entity in Atlasia. It is basically the logo of the Labor Party (see here: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/images/b/b5/LaborLogo.png).

I can't support putting partisan symbols into our regional flag.

Well there's Hagrid, being a party-pooper again. The symbol is, as Scott pointed out, a symbol of Georgia. Georgia, the most populous state in our glorious region, the rightful heir of the Southern Capital and the birthplace of the recent Southern Renaissance of activity. Certainly the Labor Party is blessed to have such a logo, but it is a different color, you see?

FYI, I thought the "bling" on my flag was a bit much, too. Here's another experiment ():

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I'd like that if it didn't have the white stripe in next to the cross (sorry if my Godless Lieborite Northern opinions are intruding on y'all's discussion).

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Hmm.  Is it wise to include the new map on our flag when we're not sure if it's going to be accepted yet?

[Dereich]

Of course not. At this point, we're legislating for the IDS as it is now and shouldn't think any other way.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

To be honest though, I'm not sure it's great to have the map on the flag with or without regional dismemberment. If that thing is blowing in the wind, it's going to look like a blurry blob. That was a big concern with proposed designs for the Canadian flag while it was being debated in the '60s. It's part of the reason why we settled on a very simplified maple leaf.

How many flags in real life have maps on them?

[Adam Griffin]

Hmm.  Is it wise to include the new map on our flag when we're not sure if it's going to be accepted yet?

Of course not. At this point, we're legislating for the IDS as it is now and shouldn't think any other way.

I was just being facetious. I figure that there'll be many more suggestions, so no need to be exact in the current submissions. It was for more than anything to play around with the broader theme/scheme, which:

To be honest though, I'm not sure it's great to have the map on the flag with or without regional dismemberment. If that thing is blowing in the wind, it's going to look like a blurry blob. That was a big concern with proposed designs for the Canadian flag while it was being debated in the '60s. It's part of the reason why we settled on a very simplified maple leaf.

How many flags in real life have maps on them?

Perhaps you're right. I believe I actually drew the inspiration on this one way back when from the Northeast flag, but it may make more sense now than ever to not include a map on such a new creation. This also, however, makes me worry about other symbols (stars) indicating the number of states and the like.


So here's another one - for some reason I am really fond of this wacky design. It's really just a CSA flag rotated, inverted and with two stars removed (11 states). Because it was jacked off of the internet/rotated and not built from scratch, it has a slight irregularity in which the stars and bars cannot both be positioned in a perfect cardinal fashion (also, apparently my transparent bg didn't do as well as I thought and there are some pixels out of place; I'll fix all of that if this is a desirable design for anyone). I for one enjoy the optical illusion.