What do you prefer for Südtirol (South Tyrol) ?

[Tender Branson]

With the state election coming up on Sunday, what are your thoughts ?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=168241.0

[Zanas]

I voted Other, as in : whatever their people decides.

[Hifly]

Wieder mit Deutschösterreich zu vereinigen!

[minionofmidas]

Anybody for the South Tyrol Option of 1939?

[YL]

Self-determination, within reason.

[Cassius]

Merger with Austria, since I'n guessing they're German speaking. But it's up to them really.

[Zioneer]

Whatever the South Tyroleans want.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Other:  Merge with North and East Tyrol in an independent country of Tyrol.

[ingemann]

I really don't see any reason for South Tyrol not to rejoin Austria.

[Sol]

I voted Other, as in : whatever their people decides.

[ZuWo]

The people should decide.

Also, I don't think a merger with Switzerland would make a whole lot of sense politically, culturally and linguistically speaking; Austria seems much more suitable in this respect. If there's an Austrian region that should join Switzerland it's Vorarlberg.

[Tender Branson]

The people should decide.

Also, I don't think a merger with Switzerland would make a whole lot of sense politically, culturally and linguistically speaking; Austria seems much more suitable in this respect. If there's an Austrian region that should join Switzerland it's Vorarlberg.

If the people give the SVP another absolute majority today, it's kinda like "the people decided". For the status quo.

Merging Südtirol with Switzerland would look pretty weird. Südtirol would be some sort of Schweizer Blinddarm (Swiss vermiform appendix) ...

[opebo]

Sounds like a cold medicine.

[GMantis]

I really don't see any reason for South Tyrol not to rejoin Austria.

For one, I don't think that Austria will be prepared to give them the same generous benefits as Italy does. Also, South Tyrol has a substantial Italian and Ladin, which would be strongly against South Tyrol joining Austria, which could cause substantial problems. Note that the Italians are actually a majority in Bozen, the capital of South Tyrol and which is quite close to the southern border of the province. The South Tyrolians might find themselves without their capital if they attempt this...

[Beezer]

Welschtirol should join Austria as well. Next up, Triest.

[Tender Branson]

I really don't see any reason for South Tyrol not to rejoin Austria.

For one, I don't think that Austria will be prepared to give them the same generous benefits as Italy does. Also, South Tyrol has a substantial Italian and Ladin, which would be strongly against South Tyrol joining Austria, which could cause substantial problems. Note that the Italians are actually a majority in Bozen, the capital of South Tyrol and which is quite close to the southern border of the province. The South Tyrolians might find themselves without their capital if they attempt this...

Possible compromise: Cut off South Tyrol just north of Bozen, give Bozen and suburbs to Trentino and merge the rest of South Tyrol with North and East Tyrol as one new state of Austria with Innsbruck as the capital.

But ... would Austria even want South Tyrol back these days ?

Maybe a sizeable amount in the general population but I'll doubt you'll find more than a handful of politicians within the SPÖ or ÖVP that support it ...

[GMantis]

Welschtirol should join Austria as well. Next up, Triest.

Then Slovenia Carniola and Venice. Then invite Karl von Habsburg to become the head of state...

[GMantis]

I really don't see any reason for South Tyrol not to rejoin Austria.

For one, I don't think that Austria will be prepared to give them the same generous benefits as Italy does. Also, South Tyrol has a substantial Italian and Ladin, which would be strongly against South Tyrol joining Austria, which could cause substantial problems. Note that the Italians are actually a majority in Bozen, the capital of South Tyrol and which is quite close to the southern border of the province. The South Tyrolians might find themselves without their capital if they attempt this...

Possible compromise: Cut off South Tyrol just north of Bozen, give Bozen and suburbs to Trentino and merge the rest of South Tyrol with North and East Tyrol as one new state of Austria with Innsbruck as the capital.

But ... would Austria even want South Tyrol back these days ?

Maybe a sizeable amount in the general population but I'll doubt you'll find more than a handful of politicians within the SPÖ or ÖVP that support it ...

That's probably because it is currently completely unrealistic. But if it becomes plausible, lots of supporters will suddenly appear.

[Tender Branson]

I really don't see any reason for South Tyrol not to rejoin Austria.

For one, I don't think that Austria will be prepared to give them the same generous benefits as Italy does. Also, South Tyrol has a substantial Italian and Ladin, which would be strongly against South Tyrol joining Austria, which could cause substantial problems. Note that the Italians are actually a majority in Bozen, the capital of South Tyrol and which is quite close to the southern border of the province. The South Tyrolians might find themselves without their capital if they attempt this...

Possible compromise: Cut off South Tyrol just north of Bozen, give Bozen and suburbs to Trentino and merge the rest of South Tyrol with North and East Tyrol as one new state of Austria with Innsbruck as the capital.

But ... would Austria even want South Tyrol back these days ?

Maybe a sizeable amount in the general population but I'll doubt you'll find more than a handful of politicians within the SPÖ or ÖVP that support it ...

That's probably because it is currently completely unrealistic. But if it becomes plausible, lots of supporters will suddenly appear.

Not within the SPÖ though for obvious (electoral) reasons.

Just look at the ÖVP vs. SPÖ result in Tyrol a month ago ...

[H. Ross Peron]

Merged with Austria which in turn should merge with Germany.

[Hatman 🍁]

Merged with Austria which in turn should merge with Germany.

And the Sudetenland?

[H. Ross Peron]

Merged with Austria which in turn should merge with Germany.

And the Sudetenland?

No, considering there are virtually no Germans in the Sudetenland these days.

[GMantis]

Merged with Austria which in turn should merge with Germany.

And the Sudetenland?

No, considering there are virtually no Germans in the Sudetenland these days.

And there are virtually no Austrians who consider themselves German. Decades of creating an artificial Austrian national identity have been entirely successful.

[ingemann]

I really don't see any reason for South Tyrol not to rejoin Austria.

For one, I don't think that Austria will be prepared to give them the same generous benefits as Italy does. Also, South Tyrol has a substantial Italian and Ladin, which would be strongly against South Tyrol joining Austria, which could cause substantial problems. Note that the Italians are actually a majority in Bozen, the capital of South Tyrol and which is quite close to the southern border of the province. The South Tyrolians might find themselves without their capital if they attempt this...

Around a quarter of the South Tyrolean population are Italian, most live in Bozen/Bolzano which is a linguistic enclave, only a single municipality (Salorno) with Italian majority are connected to the rest of Italy. If the southern Tyrolean "isthmus" stayed Italian even with Bozen it would be 50%+ German. Also because of most of the Italian population in South Tyrol are urban settlers placed in the province under Fascism, if the economic fundament for Bolzano disappear (the German speaking hinterland and Bolzano's position as the centre of administration) at lot may migrate afterward to the rest of Italy, risking that Germans end up in majority in the areas which would stay Italian.

Ladins on the other hand make up 5% of the population and and have absolut majority in connected 8 municipalities (and make up the majority in the eastern part of a German majority municipality), which lies connected to the rest of Italy. So theorectic they could easily be cut off from the rest of South Tyrol and stay Italian if there are a majority supporting it. Which are not given.

[minionofmidas]

Merged with Austria which in turn should merge with Germany.

And the Sudetenland?

No, considering there are virtually no Germans in the Sudetenland these days.

And there are virtually no Austrians who consider themselves German. Decades of creating an artificial Austrian national identity have been entirely successful.

7 years of it sufficed.