MA: Mideast Comprehensive Sex Education Act (Debating)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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Sponsor: Siren

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Is the $15M guaranteed?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This has my support.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Is the $15M guaranteed?

I pretty much wrote up this act to take advantage of funds made available by a bill that just passed the Senate yesterday:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=180875.0

In the Senate bill, it says $45 million is made available to the regions.  I'm assuming that means total for everyone.  Dividing 45 by 5 would make 9 million for each region...  But I'm assuming not all regions will pass bills to take advantage of it, so I thought we could try to take advantage of some more funding for the Mideast.   It would to be approved by the DoIA of course.  Also, I interpreted the Senate bill as meaning the regions were responsible for writing their own plans - which is why I fleshed out our bill to be more specific.

OK - I guess we'll have to see how much the GM says this will cost.  If we don't get to it this session, we'll get there next session.  I want to get all of our bills done, but y'all keep proposing things that involve money!

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

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[MyRescueKittehRocks]

If this amendment is adopted, we wouldn't be eligible for the federal funding anymore.  It's quite clear about not permitting abstinence-only education models.  And for good reason.  If everyone practiced abstinence, there wouldn't be any more human race. 

Basically I'm telling Nyman that they don't have the right to forbid abstinence-only models or extort the regions by taking away funds.

[Gass3268]

If this amendment is adopted, we wouldn't be eligible for the federal funding anymore.  It's quite clear about not permitting abstinence-only education models.  And for good reason.  If everyone practiced abstinence, there wouldn't be any more human race. 

Basically I'm telling Nyman that they don't have the right to forbid abstinence-only models or extort the regions by taking away funds.

The federal Comprehensive Sex Education Act does not "take away" funds. It merely offers an additional incentive for implementing sex education programs according to a defined set of guidelines.

Exactly, you don't get the extra money if you want to do primitive abstinence-only education.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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Can you put this amendment in bold/strikethrough format, please?

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

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[Oldiesfreak1854]

I support JCL's amendment.  Let the schools decide how their sex education curriculum is taught.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I support JCL's amendment.  Let the schools decide how their sex education curriculum is taught.

I'd rather parents be the ones explaining the birds and the bees to their kids but my amendment was a compromise for those who's folks won't do that..

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

JCL, that amendment would mean no federal funding.  If we're going to do that, further amendments to this bill need to be made.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

JCL, that amendment would mean no federal funding.  If we're going to do that, further amendments to this bill need to be made.

The question is why should we always look to Nyman to mandate how we handle delicate matters such as these. What I'm noticing is Nyman has too much power on such a sensitive issue that they should have little to none of. Yes my stances as a conservative on social issues has soured many towards me but the greater problem is the concentration of federal power, often overly in the favor of the left to the point that the Atlasian right has abdicated fighting for those things that they believe in with regards to social and cultural issues. When I proposed the Nefarious Act, I sought to bring folks together on a social issue that was swept under the rug for the sake of the two big ones. When I made my play on returning a law to the region to a more pro-life state I did so partly to stand up to the rampant national bias against those of us who think in a more traditional sense. Should the left win on some social issues? Maybe. However it shouldn't be at the expense of regions who don't think it wise to do so. Life and marriage are such issues.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

JCL, that amendment would mean no federal funding.  If we're going to do that, further amendments to this bill need to be made.

The question is why should we always look to Nyman to mandate how we handle delicate matters such as these. What I'm noticing is Nyman has too much power on such a sensitive issue that they should have little to none of. Yes my stances as a conservative on social issues has soured many towards me but the greater problem is the concentration of federal power, often overly in the favor of the left to the point that the Atlasian right has abdicated fighting for those things that they believe in with regards to social and cultural issues. When I proposed the Nefarious Act, I sought to bring folks together on a social issue that was swept under the rug for the sake of the two big ones. When I made my play on returning a law to the region to a more pro-life state I did so partly to stand up to the rampant national bias against those of us who think in a more traditional sense. Should the left win on some social issues? Maybe. However it shouldn't be at the expense of regions who don't think it wise to do so. Life and marriage are such issues.

So is what you're saying that you'd oppose a federal ban on abortion or gay marriage?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

JCL, that amendment would mean no federal funding.  If we're going to do that, further amendments to this bill need to be made.

The question is why should we always look to Nyman to mandate how we handle delicate matters such as these. What I'm noticing is Nyman has too much power on such a sensitive issue that they should have little to none of. Yes my stances as a conservative on social issues has soured many towards me but the greater problem is the concentration of federal power, often overly in the favor of the left to the point that the Atlasian right has abdicated fighting for those things that they believe in with regards to social and cultural issues. When I proposed the Nefarious Act, I sought to bring folks together on a social issue that was swept under the rug for the sake of the two big ones. When I made my play on returning a law to the region to a more pro-life state I did so partly to stand up to the rampant national bias against those of us who think in a more traditional sense. Should the left win on some social issues? Maybe. However it shouldn't be at the expense of regions who don't think it wise to do so. Life and marriage are such issues.

OK.... I'm not arguing with the merits of your amendment; I'm just saying we can't have stuff like, "In order to comply with the Atlasian Comprehensive Sex Education Bill 2013" when the whole purpose of your amendment is to give districts the freedom not to comply with it.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

JCL, that amendment would mean no federal funding.  If we're going to do that, further amendments to this bill need to be made.

The question is why should we always look to Nyman to mandate how we handle delicate matters such as these. What I'm noticing is Nyman has too much power on such a sensitive issue that they should have little to none of. Yes my stances as a conservative on social issues has soured many towards me but the greater problem is the concentration of federal power, often overly in the favor of the left to the point that the Atlasian right has abdicated fighting for those things that they believe in with regards to social and cultural issues. When I proposed the Nefarious Act, I sought to bring folks together on a social issue that was swept under the rug for the sake of the two big ones. When I made my play on returning a law to the region to a more pro-life state I did so partly to stand up to the rampant national bias against those of us who think in a more traditional sense. Should the left win on some social issues? Maybe. However it shouldn't be at the expense of regions who don't think it wise to do so. Life and marriage are such issues.

So is what you're saying that you'd oppose a federal ban on abortion or gay marriage?

The idea is if I were in the senate, I'd propose a bill that would take the federal government out of the debate on these issues entirely.  Meaning they could not interfere with a regions decision under any circumstances. 

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

JCL, are you going to rewrite the amendment, or do you want it voted on as-is?

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

JCL, are you going to rewrite the amendment, or do you want it voted on as-is?

As it is.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Alright, we'll take JCL's amendment to a vote. Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN. This will be a 24-hour vote.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

NAY

I cannot support an amendment that would lead to a confusing bill that has contradicting language.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Nay

[ZuWo]

I am generally fine with sex education but I want to see the introductory statement removed from the text of the bill; I consider it superfluous and unnecessarily ideological. Thus, I propose the following amendment:

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[ZuWo]

It is, in my view, debatable whether mere sex education is the "best" way to reduce sexually transmitted infections and unwanted pregnancies. I agree that sex education helps to achieve these goals, but it's not the only way. I know it's not a popular thing to say but promoting abstinence (as an alternative, not as the only option) can be helpful in certain circles, too. Additionally, since the term "progressive" is often used in a political context to denote "left-wing" or "liberal", I believe the word has too much of a one-sided connotation.

Anyway, what matters here is the content of the bill and not the introductory statement. I will feel more comfortable when I can sign this bill without that sentence at the beginning.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Hang on - we still need to finish this amendment vote up first.  As to passage of the bill, I'd really like to hold off on a final vote until we have a GM analysis on it.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 0, and the NAYs are 3, with 2 not voting.  The NAYs have it, and the amendment is not agreed to.