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« on: November 01, 2013, 10:40:47 AM »

I know the question seems kind of silly, but it seems like lots of people including many who aren't even Catholic oddly would hold them in contempt because they consider them either:

1-Traitors (like this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategoryTraitor)
and/or 2-People who are degrading culture blah blah blah and thus somehow harming society in some way.

It's quite bizarre. Weirdly this includes a lot of True Leftists when it's a very reactionary and traditionalist conservative view.
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 11:25:22 AM »

I'm indifferent to their choices.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 11:27:58 AM »

Who cares?
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2013, 12:14:51 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2013, 12:56:45 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2013, 01:55:52 PM »

Awful. They have to return to the Faith.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 02:34:32 PM »

I think it's a very significant issue, and one that's being looked at in academic departments like sociology and student affairs (subset Education, I think).

Religion has always been pounded into children, and the Catholic faith in particular - it borders on being a cultural identity. That people grow up to question it, decide it does not work for them, and that they will select something else or nothing at all means that they have "transcended their culture," to use a popular phrase.

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 02:36:22 PM »

There are all sorts (normal).
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2013, 09:42:48 PM »

I think it's a very significant issue, and one that's being looked at in academic departments like sociology and student affairs (subset Education, I think).

Religion has always been pounded into children, and the Catholic faith in particular - it borders on being a cultural identity. That people grow up to question it, decide it does not work for them, and that they will select something else or nothing at all means that they have "transcended their culture," to use a popular phrase.

FFs, of course.

That makes it sound like it's a rare thing and rather unique, but it applies to a full third of Americans raised Catholic and thus 10% of the population. It's not strange or unusual at all, and I'm perplexed why so many treat it as such (especially since as I've stated many times in my home region this wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.)
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 10:05:51 PM »

I think it's a very significant issue, and one that's being looked at in academic departments like sociology and student affairs (subset Education, I think).

Religion has always been pounded into children, and the Catholic faith in particular - it borders on being a cultural identity. That people grow up to question it, decide it does not work for them, and that they will select something else or nothing at all means that they have "transcended their culture," to use a popular phrase.

FFs, of course.

That makes it sound like it's a rare thing and rather unique. . .

Not all that long ago it very much was. There's been a big spike in the number of people, particularly young, leaving the church they were brought up in and identifying with none or other.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2013, 10:57:42 PM »

BRTD, stop clogging up the servers with threads about this. This has to the fifth thread you've started to make this point. We get it. Someone who has the left the Catholic Church is no longer Catholic. Now can you move on to something else, plz? kthx.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2013, 03:12:41 PM »

I'm a FF obviously, so...
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2013, 03:14:45 PM »


You quit the church? I would've never expected that.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2013, 03:57:11 PM »


You quit the church? I would've never expected that.

I haven't submitted any paperwork or anything, but I haven't been to Catholic mass in several years.  I do go to mass at the Episcopal Church every now and then, but I prefer not to use denominational labels to describe my beliefs.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2013, 05:21:01 PM »

I won't say they are all one or the other, so I second Nathan's opinion above.
I am one.  I wouldn't call myself an "FF," but I think I'm alright.  Smiley  At least in regard to that.  Tongue
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2013, 07:19:18 PM »

I know the question seems kind of silly, but it seems like lots of people including many who aren't even Catholic oddly would hold them in contempt because they consider them either:

1-Traitors (like this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategoryTraitor)
and/or 2-People who are degrading culture blah blah blah and thus somehow harming society in some way.

It's quite bizarre. Weirdly this includes a lot of True Leftists when it's a very reactionary and traditionalist conservative view.
I suspect those true leftists are simply saying that a lot of people are culturally Catholic, rather than criticizing those who leave the Church completely.
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2013, 08:05:56 PM »

No a lot seem to disapprove of people who renounce or decline to associate with any even cultural identification with the church. Or like to pretend its rare, as stated its quite common in the US.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2013, 08:25:56 PM »

I have no trouble admitting, by the way, that, even though I'm now an atheist, a number of my moral sensibilities, so to speak, are still highly informed by my Catholic upbringing.  My generally favorable impressions about community, ritual and traditions that, so to speak, appreciate tradition are also influenced by my upbringing as a Catholic too.  I still think a lot of those things are good.  So, if that's what it means to be still "culturally Catholic," I probably still am.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2013, 08:48:58 PM »

Anybody who can overcome their childhood religious abuse is a major FF in my book. Much less so, if it's to join a different sect though.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2013, 09:13:21 PM »

Anybody who can overcome their childhood religious abuse is a major FF in my book. Much less so, if it's to join a different sect though.

What if it was a "hipster" sect?
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2013, 10:40:32 PM »

Anybody who can overcome their childhood religious abuse is a major FF in my book. Much less so, if it's to join a different sect though.

What if it was a "hipster" sect?

Don't feed the troll.
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 12:38:23 AM »

Anybody who can overcome their childhood religious abuse is a major FF in my book. Much less so, if it's to join a different sect though.

What if it was a "hipster" sect?

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Do you doubt my sincerity?
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2013, 12:41:11 AM »

Anybody who can overcome their childhood religious abuse is a major FF in my book. Much less so, if it's to join a different sect though.

What if it was a "hipster" sect?

Don't feed the troll.
Do you doubt my sincerity?

I doubt that you are as clever as you seem to think you are.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2013, 12:48:03 AM »

Anybody who can overcome their childhood religious abuse is a major FF in my book. Much less so, if it's to join a different sect though.

What if it was a "hipster" sect?

Don't feed the troll.
Do you doubt my sincerity?

I doubt that you are as clever as you seem to think you are.
I wasn't trying to be clever. I was trying to answer the question. Perhaps you'll trust Wikipedia more than me. Perhaps not.
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2013, 04:38:07 AM »

I can't speak for Scott, but while I do trust what purports to be an excerpt from a Wikipedia article dealing with an itself profoundly ideological and tendentious minority view among psychologists and sociologists (Mytton, when I Google her, appears primarily in connection to a risible Richard Dawkins 'documentary') more than I trust you, it isn't by much. You don't even bother to link to the article from which this purports to be. Also, not even under the definition by which you seem to be going was everybody who was raised in some religion or another 'abused'.
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