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freepcrusher
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« on: November 07, 2013, 02:13:35 PM »
any of you guys read the Bell Curve? It was published nearly 20 years ago by Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein. In one of the last chapters, it discusses something called the custodial state where there is an increasingly high percentage of the population that either cannot or will not (or both) fend for themselves and them and their children are permanent wards of states. As a result the areas they live in are increasingly populated by people like them to the point where they become "high tech reservations". It also means an increasing necessity for public safety laws and within the confines of these "reservations", a borderline police state.

Anyone see this thing coming to fruition, at least to some extent?
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 02:19:18 PM »

lol
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 02:21:08 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 02:28:24 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 02:55:18 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 03:07:48 PM »
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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 04:38:55 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2013, 04:40:47 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2013, 04:53:51 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2013, 04:58:43 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2013, 07:38:45 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2013, 07:39:14 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2013, 03:19:23 PM »
what is so bad about the "Bell Curve". It's not like they're using racial epithets or anything.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2013, 04:38:16 PM »
Quote from: freepcrusher on November 08, 2013, 03:19:23 PM
what is so bad about the "Bell Curve". It's not like they're using racial epithets or anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_honesty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2013, 05:42:03 PM »
One of Charles Murray's post-Bell Curve books is Human Accomplishment in which - I sh**t you not as I read parts of it once for god knows what reason - he tries to list all the supposedly great accomplishments of mankind divided into person and culture and then tries to quantify the data giving the cultures and persons 'achievement points' (Aristotle was top iirc). Oh, and guess what? Accomplishment holds steady with some peaks and troughs until, yes you guessed it, c.1950 and then everything goes into decline because welfare state. That really was his argument.

 (Oh, look at the Wiki page - Dennis Dutton - writer of the worst Art History book of all time - gave it a good review... What a shock).
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2013, 05:44:26 AM »
« Edited: November 09, 2013, 05:59:18 AM by Mynheer Peeperkorn »
Quote from: Tetro Kornbluth on November 08, 2013, 05:42:03 PM
One of Charles Murray's post-Bell Curve books is Human Accomplishment in which - I sh**t you not as I read parts of it once for god knows what reason - he tries to list all the supposedly great accomplishments of mankind divided into person and culture and then tries to quantify the data giving the cultures and persons 'achievement points' (Aristotle was top iirc).

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This is so wrong and at the same time hilarious.

"F(inks) Epistemology, f(Inks) History of Ideas and f(Inks) Philosophy of Science. I will measure the importance of thinkers with the same methodology of a late 90s internet search engine".

Quantitativism (that imperious necessity to put a numerical value to everything) is the main reason why USA's social scientists are not respected by their colleagues in the rest of the world.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2013, 06:19:14 AM »
« Edited: November 09, 2013, 06:38:34 AM by Tetro Kornbluth »
Thanks for posting that article

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One of the truest things ever posted on the Atlas. But hey, Big Data.
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2013, 10:47:36 AM »
« Edited: November 09, 2013, 05:00:58 PM by True Federalist »
Quote from: Mynheer Peeperkorn on November 09, 2013, 05:44:26 AM
Quantitativism (that imperious necessity to put a numerical value to everything) is the main reason why USA's social scientists are not respected by their colleagues in the rest of the world.

They also don't much respect from the mathematicians here.  A running theme when I was taking statistics and mathematical analysis courses was how social scientists so often misapplied mathematical techniques to do some really stupid things.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2013, 01:13:28 PM »
Quote from: Mynheer Peeperkorn on November 09, 2013, 05:44:26 AM
Quantitativism (that imperious necessity to put a numerical value to everything) is the main reason why USA's social scientists are not respected by their colleagues in the rest of the world.

Very true.
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2013, 11:00:39 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2013, 07:35:26 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2013, 09:21:40 PM »
Quote from: Sol on November 19, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2013, 09:46:22 PM »
Quote from: Progressive Realist on December 31, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: Sol on November 19, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: TheDeadFlagBlues on November 18, 2013, 11:00:39 PM
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2014, 04:53:17 PM »
Quote from: National Progressive on December 31, 2013, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Progressive Realist on December 31, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: Sol on November 19, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2014, 09:58:12 AM »
Quote from: Beet on January 02, 2014, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: National Progressive on December 31, 2013, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Progressive Realist on December 31, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: Sol on November 19, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
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Are you guys trying to set some empty quoting record?
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