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Tetro Kornbluth
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« on: November 08, 2013, 06:01:42 AM »



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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2013, 06:05:05 AM »

Sweatshops get such a bad rap because of the conditions but if you asked any of those workers they'd be grateful for that job as they pay higher the most other jobs in third world countries. Similarly, sweatshops pave the way for economic growth eg. in the 60s Japan was full of them.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2013, 06:18:32 AM »

Remember, remember the 5th of November
The gunpowder, treason and plot
I see no reason
Why the gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot


In all seriousness, sweatshops are horrible, but this picture is extremely ironic.



Sweatshops get such a bad rap because of the conditions but if you asked any of those workers they'd be grateful for that job as they pay higher the most other jobs in third world countries. Similarly, sweatshops pave the way for economic growth eg. in the 60s Japan was full of them.

Not sure if troll post or..............
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2013, 07:27:13 AM »

Sweatshops get such a bad rap because of the conditions but if you asked any of those workers they'd be grateful for that job as they pay higher the most other jobs in third world countries. Similarly, sweatshops pave the way for economic growth eg. in the 60s Japan was full of them.

So they should just suck it up, right?
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2013, 07:34:04 AM »

Irony is beautiful.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2013, 08:47:34 AM »


I don't think "beautiful" is the kind of word you'd want to use here.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2013, 09:00:18 AM »

Sweatshops get such a bad rap because of the conditions but if you asked any of those workers they'd be grateful for that job as they pay higher the most other jobs in third world countries. Similarly, sweatshops pave the way for economic growth eg. in the 60s Japan was full of them.

So they should just suck it up, right?

It's that or no income, if these countries had the same standards that western countries come to expect than there'd be no option for these people. Obviously we'd love a world where everyone had the right to a safe work environment and a good living wage but we don't live in utopia and this option is better than no option.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 09:35:38 AM »

Sweatshops get such a bad rap because of the conditions but if you asked any of those workers they'd be grateful for that job as they pay higher the most other jobs in third world countries. Similarly, sweatshops pave the way for economic growth eg. in the 60s Japan was full of them.

So they should just suck it up, right?

It's that or no income, if these countries had the same standards that western countries come to expect than there'd be no option for these people. Obviously we'd love a world where everyone had the right to a safe work environment and a good living wage but we don't live in utopia and this option is better than no option.

We do, however, live in a world that could restrict trade with countries that don't require living wages or safe work environments. But that would hurt the feelings of the 1%-ers, so it's probably not going to happen any time soon.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 09:44:10 AM »

And qualify as sacrilege to free traders. Interesting that dignified employment is now in the realms of utopian to some.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 09:49:44 AM »

And qualify as sacrilege to free traders. Interesting that dignified employment is now in the realms of utopian to some.

Capitalist realism at work.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2013, 09:50:13 AM »
« Edited: November 08, 2013, 09:52:10 AM by Oakvale »

If trade restrictions are imposed these people are all going to lose their jobs and will be far, far worse off than before the advent of the sweatshop. Why do you hate poor people?

e: The basic argument here is literally "We're not going to trade with countries until they're as rich as we are". Er...
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2013, 10:16:56 AM »

I think the point of this thread has been missed.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2013, 11:48:31 AM »

Make a lot of sense.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2013, 12:13:09 PM »

Awesome.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2013, 12:23:44 PM »

Actually quite fitting.  V For Vendetta was no more a rallying cry for anti-authoritarian (or anti-capitalist) revolution than Guy Fawkes was himself.
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2013, 03:27:57 PM »

Only ironic when directed towards the Occupiers; the libertarians who wear the mask would not care about the sweat shops. The Occupiers on the other hand were the ones rallying against this among other capitalist related "evils."
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2013, 05:38:08 PM »

Sweatshops get such a bad rap because of the conditions but if you asked any of those workers they'd be grateful for that job as they pay higher the most other jobs in third world countries. Similarly, sweatshops pave the way for economic growth eg. in the 60s Japan was full of them.

So they should just suck it up, right?

It's that or no income, if these countries had the same standards that western countries come to expect than there'd be no option for these people. Obviously we'd love a world where everyone had the right to a safe work environment and a good living wage but we don't live in utopia and this option is better than no option.

We do, however, live in a world that could restrict trade with countries that don't require living wages or safe work environments. But that would hurt the feelings of the 1%-ers, so it's probably not going to happen any time soon.

The problem with many of these 3rd world countries is that their workers simply lack the education and/or capital to even produce enough to maintain a minimum wage.

The per capita GDP in Bangladesh is a mere $800/yr in nominal terms and only about $1800/yr in PPP. How do you expect a Bangladeshi textile worker to be paid a "living wage" when he only produces a fraction of said wage?
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2013, 06:08:02 PM »

Sweatshops get such a bad rap because of the conditions but if you asked any of those workers they'd be grateful for that job as they pay higher the most other jobs in third world countries. Similarly, sweatshops pave the way for economic growth eg. in the 60s Japan was full of them.

So they should just suck it up, right?

It's that or no income, if these countries had the same standards that western countries come to expect than there'd be no option for these people. Obviously we'd love a world where everyone had the right to a safe work environment and a good living wage but we don't live in utopia and this option is better than no option.

We do, however, live in a world that could restrict trade with countries that don't require living wages or safe work environments. But that would hurt the feelings of the 1%-ers, so it's probably not going to happen any time soon.

So you punish the worker by denying them a chance to make a living? That doesn't seem fair.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2013, 07:03:03 PM »

Awful.  Simply awful.  I literally developed an awful feeling in my stomach the other day when I noticed a small label on my absolute favorite scarf that said "Made in China."  Kind of broke my heart to realize just how incredibly difficult it is to shop for anything with ethical concerns in mind nowadays.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2013, 07:07:22 PM »

This is why Trade Unionism is important.
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2013, 07:13:37 PM »

Actually quite fitting.  V For Vendetta was no more a rallying cry for anti-authoritarian (or anti-capitalist) revolution than Guy Fawkes was himself.

It was made by the same guys who made The Matrix series, so I wouldn't expect real meaning beyond "big truths". I hated that movie anywho.
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2013, 11:32:31 PM »

Totally missed they were making Guy Fawkes masks.
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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2013, 12:50:43 AM »

If trade restrictions are imposed these people are all going to lose their jobs and will be far, far worse off than before the advent of the sweatshop. Why do you hate poor people?

e: The basic argument here is literally "We're not going to trade with countries until they're as rich as we are". Er...
We do, however, live in a world that could restrict trade with countries that don't require living wages or safe work environments. But that would hurt the feelings of the 1%-ers, so it's probably not going to happen any time soon.

So you punish the worker by denying them a chance to make a living? That doesn't seem fair.
I'd like to see some answers to these posts.


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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2013, 07:24:44 AM »

I think the point of this thread has been missed.

if you have to keep telling people they're missing the point perhaps you're being too cryptic as-a-habit.
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2013, 05:55:42 PM »

Not ironic. Libertarians who wear these masks support economic policies that would result in similar working conditions for all people.
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