Old Right v. New Right

[TNF]

Go!

[PJ]

Neither are good but I'd prefer Eisenhower to Bush any day. Old Right (D)

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Links and/or definitions would be helpful.

[Goldwater]

Hmm, I'm not sure... One the one hand, the old right has isolationism. But on the other hand, the new right has the religious right...

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The Old Right produced luminaries such as Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, Isabel Paterson, Ron Paul, and Pat Buchanan, while the new "right" has given us the Bushes, Santorum, Giuliani, etc. So my choice is of course the Old Right.

[Supersonic]

New Right.

[Mechaman]

Obvious question is obvious.

Not to say much about the Old Right, but they at least had commendable positions.  LIke, for instance, they didn't believe in policing the world

[Lambsbread]

I'd much prefer the Old Right.

[Torie]

Nobody has asserted that literacy was pandemic across the Fruited Plain now have they?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Surely Goldwater was New Right? At least in a proto sense?

[Torie]

Surely Goldwater was New Right? At least in a proto sense?

I certainly think so. The Old Right tended to be anti Jew and isolationist. Goldwater was neither. But to the extent that the New Right is tagged with social conservatism, that was not Goldwater's bag at all. There is so much mischief attending semantics isn't there?

[opebo]

Surely Goldwater was New Right? At least in a proto sense?

I certainly think so. The Old Right tended to be anti Jew and isolationist. Goldwater was neither. But to the extent that the New Right is tagged with social conservatism, that was not Goldwater's bag at all. There is so much mischief attending semantics isn't there?

But the general idea is one I think we can all certainly agree on - things only get worse.

[ElectionsGuy]

Old right no doubt

[TJ in Oregon]

Old Right by far. Paleoconservatism, neoconservatism, et. al. are all post-Enlightenment ideals which display some elements of truth about the world but miss the point by about a couple millennia.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Surely Goldwater was New Right? At least in a proto sense?

I certainly think so. The Old Right tended to be anti Jew and isolationist. Goldwater was neither. But to the extent that the New Right is tagged with social conservatism, that was not Goldwater's bag at all. There is so much mischief attending semantics isn't there?

I don't think the American Old Right tended to be anti-Jew, though there was an element that was.

Goldwater's campaign in 64 involved the rise of the New Right with Buckley and others. He was a transition between the Old and New Right, but with his hawkish emphasis I'd place him in the latter camp.

[traininthedistance]

As with the other poll, I would like to see more precise working definitions of both "old right" and "new right" before I could vote with confidence.

That being said, I would probably lean New Right on the grounds that at least they seem to have eliminated the anti-Semitism and toned down some of the worst related pathologies, if nothing else.  Still a sh*t sandwich of course.

[Redalgo]

Obvious question is obvious.

Not to say much about the Old Right, but they at least had commendable positions.  LIke, for instance, they didn't believe in policing the world

Well... except for when it came to looking tough on communism and propping up authoritarian regimes to serve as a global posse for beating up on leftists. Of course, the Old Left in the United States was basically in the same boat. Meh.

[H. Ross Peron]

New Right reluctantly because the Old Right shares most of the New Right's detestable stances (opposition to a welfare state, laissez-faire capitalism, opposition to civil rights legislation, xenophobia) in addition to being in favour of high tariffs and isolationism.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

It looks like people are viewing "Old Right" specifically in the context of the early 20th Century up through to the 1960's, combined with the old "Classic Liberals" of the pre-Bryan Democratic party. America's oldest Old Right would be the Loyalists of the Revolution Era, and they're awful.

[DC Al Fine]

It looks like people are viewing "Old Right" specifically in the context of the early 20th Century up through to the 1960's, combined with the old "Classic Liberals" of the pre-Bryan Democratic party. America's oldest Old Right would be the Loyalists of the Revolution Era, and they're awful.

You misspelled awesome.

[Sopranos Republican]

It looks like people are viewing "Old Right" specifically in the context of the early 20th Century up through to the 1960's, combined with the old "Classic Liberals" of the pre-Bryan Democratic party. America's oldest Old Right would be the Loyalists of the Revolution Era, and they're awful.

You misspelled awesome.

Nah, you misspelled atrocious, DC.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

It looks like people are viewing "Old Right" specifically in the context of the early 20th Century up through to the 1960's, combined with the old "Classic Liberals" of the pre-Bryan Democratic party. America's oldest Old Right would be the Loyalists of the Revolution Era, and they're awful.

You misspelled awesome.

I continually fail to comprehend your unGodly affection for tyranny.