Gun Plan

[Grumpier Than Thou]

No one's talking about completely deregulating guns. What I'm talking about is the legal vs. illegal issue. As someone who has considered purchasing a gun, I have no intention to harm anyone who doesn't intend to harm me. I certainly won't cower in my bedroom and wait for the (ineffectual) police to arrive and save my ass...with a gun.

[barfbag]

No one's talking about completely deregulating guns. What I'm talking about is the legal vs. illegal issue. As someone who has considered purchasing a gun, I have no intention to harm anyone who doesn't intend to harm me. I certainly won't cower in my bedroom and wait for the (ineffectual) police to arrive and save my ass...with a gun.

When did you move? I feel the same way. Guns should be legal, but they're not idiot proof. There are people who shouldn't own a gun such as felons, illegal citizens, people with certain mental conditions, etc.

[Gass3268]

Repeal the 2nd amendmnet

[Maxwell]

I think this is a 10th Amendment issue for me, ideally. But if that's not possible, then I think we need to increase prevention of criminals getting guns, push some improvements on the stuff we already have, and see what happens from there. No assault weapons ban obviously.

[courts]

No restrictions upon the right to bear arms.

[Mechaman]

No restrictions upon the right to bear arms.

[Mechaman]

Machine Guns:

Restricts the transfer and possession of machine guns except for “transfers to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision.

The ATF can authorize the transfer of a machine gun to an unlicensed civilian.

An unlicensed individual may acquire machine guns, with ATF approval, from its lawful owner residing in the same state as the individual.

The transferor must file an ATF application, which must be completed by both parties to the transfer and executed under penalties of perjury, and pay a $200 transfer tax to ATF.

Application to include detailed information on the firearm and the parties involved in the transfer.

Those receiving a machine gun through transfer must certify that they are not disqualified from possessing firearms.

Someone receiving a machine gun through transfer must submit two photographs taken within the last year, fingerprints, and a copy of a permit required to possess a machine gun.

Also must certify that machine gun will be used only for lawful purposes.

Anyone acquiring a machine gun must, as part of the registration process, pass an extensive Federal Bureau of Investigation criminal background investigation.

ATF must refund the $200 tax if application is denied.

Gun owners must keep approved applications as evidence of registration of the firearms and make them available for inspection by ATF officers.


Registry Prohibition:

Multiple Sales Reports
Suspect Guns- guns suspected of criminal use but not collected
Traced Guns
Out of Business Records
Theft Guns- reported as stolen by the ATF
 

Disqualified Individuals:

those who have served more than a year in prison
fugitives from the law
anyone currently addicted to a controlled substance
illegal citizens
those with "mental illnesses" who have been involuntarily admitted for treatment
dishonorable discharge from the military
No selling of guns to those who have renounced U.S. citizenship.
felons
convicts of domestic violence against a spouse or child
anyone with a court order restraining them from an intimate partner or child


Places of Possession:

Keep general cross-state standard for concealed carry.
Allow guns in Washington D.C. with no trigger lock requirement.
Allow for open carry outside of cities with exception of legal officials.
Guns must be kept in a locker room at courthouses.
No guns on or near schools and churches.


Sales Procedures:

Mandatory background checks for gun purchases.
Background checks may take no longer than three days.
Proof of previous background checks maybe used for later purchases.
One day waiting period for purchase of a firearm.
Require 12 hour training class before allowing open carry.
Magazines holding more than 31 rounds considered as automatic firearms.
No requirement that guns be sold with trigger locks.
Protect gun manufacturers from lawsuits from gun misuse.

Licenses and Private Sales:

Require license to purchase valid for 3 years.
Allow guns to be traded between dealers and private citizens.
No license needed if trading a gun.
No license needed for purchasing a firearm of more than 50 years of age.
Guns considered as collectors items not subject to license.
No license required for veterans to purchase a gun.


Firearms in Vehicles:

1. In a closed package, box, or case.
2. In a compartment that can only be reached by leaving the vehicle.
3. In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder.
4. Must be unloaded.

And again, I would like to comment on how intrusive the self-proclaimed "conservative" barfbag is on some of these issues.  I know, it's for the children.  We can't trust a bunch of weed smoking hunters in Montana with weapons, can we?

[Antonio the Sixth]

No restrictions upon the right to bear arms.

LOL

[Franzl]

No restrictions upon the right to bear arms.

LOL

Personally, I think everyone should have a cannon on their front yard. For self-protection, of course.

[TNF]

No restrictions upon the right to bear arms.

LOL

I'm not sure what's funny about opposing a state monopoly on firearms.

[Franzl]

No restrictions upon the right to bear arms.

LOL

I'm not sure what's funny about opposing a state monopoly on firearms.

What do you think about my cannon idea? I mean, giving the government a monopoly would be a scary prospect.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Why just cannons Franzl? If my government can have nukes, then I should have one too.

[Franzl]

Why just cannons Franzl? If my government can have nukes, then I should have one too.

Good point. Fair is fair.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Why just cannons Franzl? If my government can have nukes, then I should have one too.

Good point. Fair is fair.

You two are cute. 

I'm in favor of the AWB.......that's all.

[Franzl]

Why just cannons Franzl? If my government can have nukes, then I should have one too.

Good point. Fair is fair.

You two are cute. 

I'm in favor of the AWB.......that's all.

I'm not in favor of banning all guns everywhere, but basing your argument against any regulations on not wanting a government monopoly is stupid.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Why just cannons Franzl? If my government can have nukes, then I should have one too.

Good point. Fair is fair.

You two are cute. 

I'm in favor of the AWB.......that's all.

I'm not in favor of banning all guns everywhere, but basing your argument against any regulations on not wanting a government monopoly is stupid.

Well I did say I was in favor of some regulation.  Oh, and I prefer a bazooka to a cannon, since I have a small front yard. 

[windjammer]

Looooooooooool, the NRA is fooling you.

[Sol]

Ban all guns, including for the police.

[DC Al Fine]

I want the right to shoot wild boars with an assault rifle from a helicopter dammit!

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Strange how the True Leftists are suddenly up in arms (no pun intended) about guns.

[TNF]

Strange how the True Leftists are suddenly up in arms (no pun intended) about guns.

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[Antonio the Sixth]

The workers need to prepare for TEH REVOLUTION, you see, Scott.

[TNF]

The workers need to prepare for TEH REVOLUTION, you see, Scott.

Even when I wasn't a socialist I supported gun rights, largely because I don't think that state monopolies on firepower are pre recs for good behavior on the part of the state. (And if the experience in the USSR, PRC, et al. are any indication, I'd say those are safe bets)

[Lief 🗽]

The general rule would be that they're all banned. Working from that baseline, we can carve out exceptions for special circumstances (rural hunters, etc.).

[dead0man]

I want the right to shoot wild boars with an assault rifle from a helicopter dammit!

Assault rifles are, by definition, fully automatic weapons, thus VERY hard to obtain....but you can do it in the US....but it's going to cost you.

Assault weapons on the other hand, is a made up word for a class of guns that LOOKS SCARY to gun control fetishists.



edit-actually, I'm not sure you can actually hunt legally with an automatic weapon (or from a chopper for taht matter)....probably not...so no, you can't do that.