What % of the vote would Sanders get in Vermont as a 3rd party candidate?
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« on: November 17, 2013, 07:30:43 PM »

With Bernie Sanders now saying that he might run for president in 2016, and would "probably" do so as an independent, how do you think he'd do in his home state of Vermont, if he were to run?  Let's assume that he runs as the Green Party nominee, in order to get ballot access in much of the country, but runs his campaign nationwide, with no particular emphasis on Vermont.
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 07:34:17 PM »

I would say around 15%, and that would definitely be his best state. He would probably get around 6-8% nationwide at best.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 07:36:15 PM »

I'm going to say he'd win a plurality.  Like 35% of the vote.  A lot of progressives in Vermont will feel safer voting for him because VT is a blue state and so they would feel like they could afford to vote for Sanders since the Democrat would win anyway.  I think he'd do very well in VT but outside of VT not sure
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2013, 07:42:51 PM »

I think he would get in the 30's high 20's. It also depends on how the Democratic candidate is received.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 07:48:20 PM »

John Anderson got around 6% in IL in 1980 and Gary Johnson got about 4% in NM in 2012. I find it hard to imagine Sanders breaking 10%. Even if you like him, you will still see voting for him as a protest vote against the Democratic nominee.
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2013, 07:48:41 PM »

50%+ if Hillary is the nominee
30-32% with any other Democrat

26-32% With Cristie as GOP nominee

29-34% with any other GOP nominee

Nationally, he'll do well elsewhere in New England, but Vermont will be the only state he wins.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2013, 08:55:30 PM »

He could make some New England states go into the Republican because of a united Republican base and a fractured liberal base.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 09:21:26 PM »

I don't see any reason to think Sanders would crack 5% nationally. Most of the factors typically conducive to a strong third party showing aren't likely to be present in 2016. That probably puts him at 10-15% in Vermont. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 09:25:19 PM »

I would say around 15%, and that would definitely be his best state. He would probably get around 6-8% nationwide at best.

I think that's optimistic. Gary Johnson got just shy of 1% and was about as well-known by most Americans outside his state as Bernie Sanders is.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2013, 09:37:39 PM »

He would have Vermont in the vag so as long as the Democrat was guaranteed 270 EV's.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2013, 10:12:55 PM »

He would have Vermont in the vag so as long as the Democrat was guaranteed 270 EV's.

Let's hope Vermont doesn't wind up there. Might need to visit the clinic afterward.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2013, 10:19:22 PM »

He would have Vermont in the vag so as long as the Democrat was guaranteed 270 EV's.

Let's hope Vermont doesn't wind up there. Might need to visit the clinic afterward.

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2013, 10:28:03 PM »

He would have Vermont in the vag so as long as the Democrat was guaranteed 270 EV's.

Let's hope Vermont doesn't wind up there. Might need to visit the clinic afterward.



I believe these people are banned from entering our lovely state. We don't want it contaminated with whatever unknown infectious disease they are carrying.
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2013, 12:45:53 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2013, 06:10:09 PM »

22%.
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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2013, 10:17:34 AM »

John Anderson got around 6% in IL in 1980 and Gary Johnson got about 4% in NM in 2012. I find it hard to imagine Sanders breaking 10%. Even if you like him, you will still see voting for him as a protest vote against the Democratic nominee.
Sanders is a bit different.

Unlike Anderson, he's been elected to statewide office.

Unlike Johnson, he's been reelected recently. Since 1990, he's won ten statewide elections in Vermont (eight as a member of the House of Representatives, two as Senator.)

He could break ten percent.

But even he gets twenty percent, it's unlikely to make the state competitive for Republicans.
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2013, 10:35:44 AM »

If he united the socialist parties (which is improbable if not impossible), he could gain traction in the northeast, particularly Vermont.  There's a slight chance he could win it, but the vote would have to be so split that's practically impossible.  He would have to win a plurality of the vote; I doubt he could win a majority. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2013, 12:18:27 PM »

Remember that 3rd parties almost always overpoll. I think he'd get around 10% in Vermont, 5% in the rest of New England, and 1% nationwide.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2013, 03:04:52 PM »

Depends on who he's running against. if it's a nut-job republican vs Clinton that could give many Liberal voters the chance to go out and vote for him and then I could see him marginally winning Vermont (with Clinton coming close second) and doing very well in western Mass.\NY\RI\West coast liberal bastions. In a competitive 2 party race I can't see him doing more than 20% in Vermont.
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2013, 03:23:27 PM »

I'll say he gets around 10%.  He's clearly liked in the state, but unless he gets serious traction nationally (which is next to impossible), I don't see him doing any better then this.
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2013, 05:41:04 PM »

If he united the socialist parties (which is improbable if not impossible), he could gain traction in the northeast, particularly Vermont.  There's a slight chance he could win it, but the vote would have to be so split that's practically impossible.  He would have to win a plurality of the vote; I doubt he could win a majority. 

The only reason those parties exist is to be a recepticle for cranks who aren't nice enough to play well with outhers
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2013, 09:18:23 PM »

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Sanders might win a plurality in a perfect storm, but I honestly don't see him getting more than 10%.
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2013, 03:12:09 PM »

Win the state, easily.
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