West German federal election, 1950

[TNF]

Ugh, this forum is horrible.

so much for it being a "left-wing circle jerk"

[traininthedistance]

Ugh, this forum is horrible.

so much for it being a "left-wing circle jerk"

I'm sure there are more than a few left-wingers who would prefer a pro-Western foreign policy for West Germany at this point in time, especially given that frikkin' Stalin is still alive and kicking.

EDIT: In particular, there's a very very strong case that said pro-Western foreign policy, especially when contrasted with the reunification and/or irredentist goals of the left and far-right, is really the only responsible stance to take w/r/t world peace and preventing WWIII.

[Cassius]

Economic Reconstruction Union

[freefair]

Currently, CDU/CSU, FDP, GP, BP hold 58.2%!!

[Peter the Lefty]

Currently, CDU/CSU, FDP, GP, BP hold 58.2%!!

Exactly. 

Now please, left-wingers, I'm saying this as one of you.  Go out and vote.  And those among the left-of-center ranks who voted for the CDU/CSU, reveal yourselves. 

Also, surprised that the BP is tied for third right now after getting 0 votes last time.

[freefair]

Toot toot- can all libertarians, conservatives and civic-nationalists please board the CDUs social-market train to economic dominance!!

[TNF]

Ugh, this forum is horrible.

so much for it being a "left-wing circle jerk"

I'm sure there are more than a few left-wingers who would prefer a pro-Western foreign policy for West Germany at this point in time, especially given that frikkin' Stalin is still alive and kicking.

EDIT: In particular, there's a very very strong case that said pro-Western foreign policy, especially when contrasted with the reunification and/or irredentist goals of the left and far-right, is really the only responsible stance to take w/r/t world peace and preventing WWIII.

Pretty sure a neutral Germany would have meant far less tension in Europe.

[traininthedistance]

Ugh, this forum is horrible.

so much for it being a "left-wing circle jerk"

I'm sure there are more than a few left-wingers who would prefer a pro-Western foreign policy for West Germany at this point in time, especially given that frikkin' Stalin is still alive and kicking.

EDIT: In particular, there's a very very strong case that said pro-Western foreign policy, especially when contrasted with the reunification and/or irredentist goals of the left and far-right, is really the only responsible stance to take w/r/t world peace and preventing WWIII.

Pretty sure a neutral Germany would have meant far less tension in Europe.

A neutral, unified Germany, perhaps.  A neutral West Germany and a Soviet GDR (and let's not kid ourselves, that's what would happen here), um not so much.

[Peter the Lefty]

Ugh, this forum is horrible.

so much for it being a "left-wing circle jerk"

I'm sure there are more than a few left-wingers who would prefer a pro-Western foreign policy for West Germany at this point in time, especially given that frikkin' Stalin is still alive and kicking.

EDIT: In particular, there's a very very strong case that said pro-Western foreign policy, especially when contrasted with the reunification and/or irredentist goals of the left and far-right, is really the only responsible stance to take w/r/t world peace and preventing WWIII.

Pretty sure a neutral Germany would have meant far less tension in Europe.

A neutral, unified Germany, perhaps.  A neutral West Germany and a Soviet GDR (and let's not kid ourselves, that's what would happen here), um not so much.

Adenauer, however, would certainly seal off any hope of reunification (and let's not forget that Khruschev comes to power not too long from now)

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Social Democrat till I die, reppin those red colors all day everyday you feel me

[Lief 🗽]

Bavaria Party at 11.4% lol

What percentage of the 1950 German population is Bavaria?

[Supersonic]

Toot toot- can all libertarians, conservatives and civic-nationalists please board the CDUs social-market train to economic dominance!!

Social-market train represent!

[Lumine]

Go Adenauer!

[Peter the Lefty]

Bavaria Party at 11.4% lol

What percentage of the 1950 German population is Bavaria?

Can't find it, but they literally got zero votes in the 49 election here, which makes this even more hilarious. 

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I think it's fairly clear that any neutrality from a hypothetical SPD government in this period would be better written as 'neutrality'. In the early stages of the Cold War there was a view on the Left of the Left that it ought to be possible to build a third political block - a democratic socialist one - that would allow for opposition to Communism without subordination to America and to the capitalism that it represented (capitalism, remember, was almost entirely discredited in Europe in the immediate post-war years for very obvious reasons).

[Peter the Lefty]

I think it's fairly clear that any neutrality from a hypothetical SPD government in this period would be better written as 'neutrality'. In the early stages of the Cold War there was a view on the Left of the Left that it ought to be possible to build a third political block - a democratic socialist one - that would allow for opposition to Communism without subordination to America and to the capitalism that it represented (capitalism, remember, was almost entirely discredited in Europe in the immediate post-war years for very obvious reasons).

True that.  I should've made that clearer. 

[Peter the Lefty]

Bavaria Party at 11.4% lol

What percentage of the 1950 German population is Bavaria?

Can't find it, but they literally got zero votes in the 49 election here, which makes this even more hilarious. 

Actually, in the '49 election in rl, more than 20% of the valid votes were from Bavaria, so I'm guessing the population corresponded roughly to that.  Still hilarious though.

[H. Ross Peron]

Ugh, this forum is horrible.

so much for it being a "left-wing circle jerk"

I'm sure there are more than a few left-wingers who would prefer a pro-Western foreign policy for West Germany at this point in time, especially given that frikkin' Stalin is still alive and kicking.

EDIT: In particular, there's a very very strong case that said pro-Western foreign policy, especially when contrasted with the reunification and/or irredentist goals of the left and far-right, is really the only responsible stance to take w/r/t world peace and preventing WWIII.

Pretty sure a neutral Germany would have meant far less tension in Europe.

A neutral, unified Germany, perhaps.  A neutral West Germany and a Soviet GDR (and let's not kid ourselves, that's what would happen here), um not so much.

Adenauer, however, would certainly seal off any hope of reunification (and let's not forget that Khruschev comes to power not too long from now)

Who is still a dictator even if his bodycount was a few order of magnitudes smaller than Stalin's. A pro-Western Germany also enabled stronger European integration and ensued an European community that was not dominated by France.

[Leftbehind]

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And thus eternal economic and legal doom and servitude.

Something 100% guaranteed by your 'social-market' horses**t.

Ugh, this forum is horrible.

so much for it being a "left-wing circle jerk"

I've long maintained the leftist faction on this forum is no bigger than than either the liberals or conservatives - both of whom could be found populating that thread about the supposed leftist circle-jerk.

Looks like Atlas Germany may be even worse than the present version.

[enrico maxwell]

economic

[Lief 🗽]

SPD + Bavaria Party coalition government with the promise of a Bavarian independence referendum in exchange for the BP's support sounds like a great idea.

[enrico maxwell]

economic recnsoturction

[freefair]

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Something 100% guaranteed by your 'social-market' horses**t.

Looks like Atlas Germany may be even worse than the present version.
[/quote]

Germany right now has a damn near perfect economy and society- compared to most other nations in western Europe, let alone the world- So what the hell do you mean? Germany's got a perfectly reasonable balance between private and public sectors, and they always have done, especially compared to Britain .
I do like the Nordic and Rhineland Models.

[Peter the Lefty]

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An economy based around low-paid part-time jobs and a horrible social safety net is far from "damn near perfect."   

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, the "German model" is absolutely horrible.