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« on: November 26, 2013, 06:10:09 PM »
« edited: December 26, 2013, 03:55:02 PM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 06:11:04 PM »

The sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocating for this.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2013, 11:39:57 AM »

This bill will fully implement the 32 hour workweek passed by the Senate in 2011. It will also end pay discrimination against tipped employees, which currently only have a $2.13/hour minimum wage
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2013, 04:42:19 PM »

This can be put to a final vote in a few hours if there are no amendments or further debate here.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2013, 07:20:28 AM »

A vote is now open on final passage of the underlying legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2013, 10:08:47 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2013, 10:12:07 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2013, 12:19:06 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2013, 01:23:59 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2013, 03:35:20 PM »

Well, if we eradicate the minimum wage exception for tipped positions, it means I no longer have to tip. Success, right? Wink

I'd be worried about how this would effect the service industry in general. Asking restaurants to pay their service 2-3x what they currently are will force them to raise food prices and undoubtedly hurt their top lines. Servers in these places may in turn make even less money than they do now. In theory it sounds good for employees, but in practice, I could see it having a negative impact on them.

I know in Europe, servers are paid a good salary and people do not tip, but I know nothing about their business model and how they keep food costs reasonable. Maybe someone can educate me on that. As someone who has worked in tipped positions in the past, a lot of people actually made MORE money in them than if they were in management and salaried.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2013, 05:47:28 PM »

Aye

However, the BIG would make me willing to accept a version of this bill with the last clause stricken.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2013, 10:40:28 PM »

Nay, though I am open to a redraft.
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2013, 05:11:14 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2013, 02:31:11 AM »

Yea
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2013, 08:20:04 PM »

It is a 4-4 tie right now with myself and Gass not voting.


Duke, are you eying a redraft for this at present?
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2013, 12:48:08 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2013, 11:44:38 PM »

It is a 4-4 tie right now with myself and Gass not voting.


Duke, are you eying a redraft for this at present?

Yes, I am a friend to our restaurant industry, and as a Greek and a nephew of a former restaurant owner, the last clause in this bill would really hurt far more than it would help. I explained my reasoning above. TNF's heart is in the right place, but sometimes we need a heartless person like me to even things out.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2013, 12:17:31 AM »

Mr. President, would you accept a version that adjusts the pay scale gradually for tipped workers to that of the regular minimum wage?
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2013, 07:12:03 AM »

AYE

Not that it matters this late, but I had planned on voting accordingly if Duke said yes as a means to save time. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2013, 07:24:46 AM »

Vote on Final Passage of the Amendment to the Productivity Equalization...

Aye (6): bore, Gass3268, NC Yankee, TNF, TyriontheImperialist and Xahar
NAy (4): Maxwell, Napoleon, Spiral and Tmthforu94
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Didn't Vote (0):

The bill has passed and has been presented to the President for executive action.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2013, 07:25:32 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2013, 10:06:33 AM »

A suggested timescale for those pay increases, if I may:

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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2013, 10:41:33 AM »
« Edited: December 07, 2013, 10:46:29 AM by President Duke »

How do European countries handle things like this? Their business structure is different than it is here, and their tipped employees do make a decent salary but make far less in tips than their American counterparts. I remember some places in Europe refused to take tips!

If we can do this without having a detrimental effect on the restaurant industry, which is a massive one in this country, I am okay with it. But as it stands right now, hiking the minimum wage would really hurt them and indirectly hurt those in tipped position because companies will a) hire less b) be forced to raise food prices.

That said, I am open to a scaled increase, and to perhaps monitor its progress. If we begin seeing a negative impact on the industry, we can repeal it. I am not sure. This could be a game breaker for many small restaurants around this country and that is not something I am terribly comfortable with. An immediate increase is out of the question though - that would liken to an economic shock, an increase from $2 to $10 immediately, and no one wants to see that.

Let me do some research on this, but a redraft is obviously going to come.
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2013, 12:29:26 AM »

Keep in mind Duke that if you don't do anythign within seven days, it becoems law automatically.
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2013, 11:23:01 AM »

Thanks for the warning. I better start my researching.
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