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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: November 29, 2013, 12:19:48 PM »

Based on the fact that...

Screw it, I got nuthin'.

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2013, 12:22:04 PM »

Given that conservatism is basically the ultimate shapeshifter in terms of political ideologies, no, it will never be finished.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2013, 04:13:31 PM »

No, neither conservatism nor liberalism is finished. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2013, 04:16:57 PM »

Given that conservatism is basically the ultimate shapeshifter in terms of political ideologies, no, it will never be finished.

We have a winner. Conservatism will always find a new political force to react against and will mange revitalize itself.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2013, 04:25:02 PM »

Conservatism in general no. But the modern New Right based on free market fundamentalism, inflexible social conservatism, and an aggressive foreign policy is doomed. The future of American conservatism can be discerned in the American Conservative or in the writings of people like Reihan Salam.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2013, 04:36:08 PM »

No, neither conservatism nor liberalism is finished. 
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2013, 06:08:16 PM »

Given that conservatism is basically the ultimate shapeshifter in terms of political ideologies, no, it will never be finished.

We have a winner. Conservatism will always find a new political force to react against and will mange revitalize itself.
Just like revolutionaries will always have something to revolt against, which is why all political ideologies are basically immortal.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2013, 08:30:27 PM »

American Conservatism vs. Liberalism is the war of "do nothing vs do something" and therefore will always exist in some form.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2013, 09:01:21 PM »

define conservatism
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2013, 10:29:44 PM »

Was gonna link you to Johnathan Krohn at CPAC 2010 but I found Caiden Cowger instead and am now in a state of shock at such…vileness.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2013, 10:55:53 PM »

Yup, stick a fork in us. All that was once good has died.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2013, 11:59:28 PM »

In the rest of the world:

Conservatism: No changes, minor changes
Liberalism: Moderate changes, radical changes

In America:

Conservatism: Regressivism, reactionaries
Liberalism: Minor changes, moderate changes

I'd say American "liberals" are actually more conservative in the grand scheme of things than American "conservatives". Democrats tend to nibble around the edges and propose incremental reforms. Republicans want to take us back to the 1800s. Which is truly more "radical"?
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2013, 12:12:51 AM »

In the rest of the world:

Conservatism: No changes, minor changes
Liberalism: Moderate changes, radical changes

In America:

Conservatism: Regressivism, reactionaries
Liberalism: Minor changes, moderate changes

I'd say American "liberals" are actually more conservative in the grand scheme of things than American "conservatives". Democrats tend to nibble around the edges and propose incremental reforms. Republicans want to take us back to the 1800s. Which is truly more "radical"?
I'd generally agree with this. However, American conservatism will look like Canadian conservatism in 10 years. In general, true conservatism doesn't exist for the most part, only extremely show progressivism does.
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2013, 04:20:00 PM »

In the rest of the world:

Conservatism: No changes, minor changes
Liberalism: Moderate changes, radical changes

In America:

Conservatism: Regressivism, reactionaries
Liberalism: Minor changes, moderate changes

I'd say American "liberals" are actually more conservative in the grand scheme of things than American "conservatives". Democrats tend to nibble around the edges and propose incremental reforms. Republicans want to take us back to the 1800s. Which is truly more "radical"?
I'd generally agree with this. However, American conservatism will look like Canadian conservatism in 10 years. In general, true conservatism doesn't exist for the most part, only extremely show progressivism does.

I really doubt a major chunk of the GOP will support single-payer in 10 years.
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2013, 05:42:52 PM »

Conservatism can never be killed, but it will always lose, because conservatives always end up capitulating, as opposed to digging their heels in and refusing to be dragged along.
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2013, 06:23:41 PM »

Conservatism can never be killed, but it will always lose, because conservatives always end up capitulating, as opposed to digging their heels in and refusing to be dragged along.
You are welcome to dig in your heels and refuse to be dragged along.  But be prepared to live like the Amish.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2013, 10:28:08 AM »

Conservatism through our political system is dead as far as a dominant force. But it will still be reality with the new economy concerning the loss of middle class jobs and through our CRT system.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2013, 12:21:28 PM »


You know damn well that "conservatism" is whatever the National Review and similiar organs says it is.
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2013, 10:14:25 PM »

In the rest of the world:

Conservatism: No changes, minor changes
Liberalism: Moderate changes, radical changes

In America:

Conservatism: Regressivism, reactionaries
Liberalism: Minor changes, moderate changes

I'd say American "liberals" are actually more conservative in the grand scheme of things than American "conservatives". Democrats tend to nibble around the edges and propose incremental reforms. Republicans want to take us back to the 1800s. Which is truly more "radical"?
I'd generally agree with this. However, American conservatism will look like Canadian conservatism in 10 years. In general, true conservatism doesn't exist for the most part, only extremely show progressivism does.

I really doubt a major chunk of the GOP will support single-payer in 10 years.
I was referring more to to social issues. Single-payer is an exception.
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2013, 10:53:43 PM »

In the rest of the world:

Conservatism: No changes, minor changes
Liberalism: Moderate changes, radical changes

In America:

Conservatism: Regressivism, reactionaries
Liberalism: Minor changes, moderate changes

I'd say American "liberals" are actually more conservative in the grand scheme of things than American "conservatives". Democrats tend to nibble around the edges and propose incremental reforms. Republicans want to take us back to the 1800s. Which is truly more "radical"?
I'd generally agree with this. However, American conservatism will look like Canadian conservatism in 10 years. In general, true conservatism doesn't exist for the most part, only extremely show progressivism does.

I really doubt a major chunk of the GOP will support single-payer in 10 years.
I was referring more to to social issues. Single-payer is an exception.

Ok, fair enough.

One small quibble. In my experience, America lacks the really old school reactionaries who like kings and state churches. That seems to be more of a European phenomenon.
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2013, 10:47:21 AM »
« Edited: December 02, 2013, 10:49:39 AM by Cassius »

In the rest of the world:

Conservatism: No changes, minor changes
Liberalism: Moderate changes, radical changes

In America:

Conservatism: Regressivism, reactionaries
Liberalism: Minor changes, moderate changes

I'd say American "liberals" are actually more conservative in the grand scheme of things than American "conservatives". Democrats tend to nibble around the edges and propose incremental reforms. Republicans want to take us back to the 1800s. Which is truly more "radical"?
I'd generally agree with this. However, American conservatism will look like Canadian conservatism in 10 years. In general, true conservatism doesn't exist for the most part, only extremely show progressivism does.

I really doubt a major chunk of the GOP will support single-payer in 10 years.
I was referring more to to social issues. Single-payer is an exception.

Ok, fair enough.

One small quibble. In my experience, America lacks the really old school reactionaries who like kings and state churches. That seems to be more of a European phenomenon.

'Murica has a sore lack of Cassiuses Sad
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