SENATE BILL: The Trayvon Martin Memorial "End to Bigotry" Act (Pulled/Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: Napoleon

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocacy for this.

[TNF]

The sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocacy for this.

Good luck with that.

[Maxwell]

I can't support this. Murder is murder, and we shouldn't be the thought police or look at someones intentions for deeds like this.

[PPT Spiral]

What you do through this is out of two murders, one is punished more than the other, even if the exact same crime is inflicted. I don't see how I can support repealing the law.

[PJ]

Y'all probably should get a GM analysis on clause 5 of the bill being repealed.

[President Tyrion]

Y'all probably should get a GM analysis on clause 5 of the bill being repealed.

You're right. Let's see if hate crimes have increased. I'll post in Nix's office.

Do note that I'm doing Napoleon's job for him.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

It's so hard to prove hate crimes in Court. With the Martin case, for example, there was no evidence whatsoever that the defendant was motivated by hate or racism. I am willing to wait for the GM's analysis though.

[President Tyrion]

It's so hard to prove hate crimes in Court. With the Martin case, for example, there was no evidence whatsoever that the defendant was motivated by hate or racism. I am willing to wait for the GM's analysis though.

That's true.

The issue is that if there was a statistically significant increase in hate crimes (which I very much doubt is actually the case), then we have no choice but to repeal. As it stands, I find that EXTREMELY unlikely; would the common racist even know or care that any crime he/she perpetrates would just be punished under the merits of said crime? Probably not, honestly.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

It's so hard to prove hate crimes in Court. With the Martin case, for example, there was no evidence whatsoever that the defendant was motivated by hate or racism. I am willing to wait for the GM's analysis though.

That's true.

The issue is that if there was a statistically significant increase in hate crimes (which I very much doubt is actually the case), then we have no choice but to repeal. As it stands, I find that EXTREMELY unlikely; would the common racist even know or care that any crime he/she perpetrates would just be punished under the merits of said crime? Probably not, honestly.

I would be willing to bet that the number of people convicted of hate crimes when there were laws against it was relatively low. It is a rarity.

[TNF]

I am with Spiral and Maxwell on this one.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's so hard to prove hate crimes in Court. With the Martin case, for example, there was no evidence whatsoever that the defendant was motivated by hate or racism. I am willing to wait for the GM's analysis though.

That's true.

The issue is that if there was a statistically significant increase in hate crimes (which I very much doubt is actually the case), then we have no choice but to repeal. As it stands, I find that EXTREMELY unlikely; would the common racist even know or care that any crime he/she perpetrates would just be punished under the merits of said crime? Probably not, honestly.

How would anyone know how many crimes have been hate crimes if they hadn't been prosecuted as such?

[President Tyrion]

It's so hard to prove hate crimes in Court. With the Martin case, for example, there was no evidence whatsoever that the defendant was motivated by hate or racism. I am willing to wait for the GM's analysis though.

That's true.

The issue is that if there was a statistically significant increase in hate crimes (which I very much doubt is actually the case), then we have no choice but to repeal. As it stands, I find that EXTREMELY unlikely; would the common racist even know or care that any crime he/she perpetrates would just be punished under the merits of said crime? Probably not, honestly.

How would anyone know how many crimes have been hate crimes if they hadn't been prosecuted as such?

Here's the original text of the bill.

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The Atlasian government has essentially been "keeping track" of hate crimes since 2005. We can reasonably wonder how accurate such a count is, but there is a contingency for making a count.

[Napoleon]

I think its pretty apparent that hate crimes are still a significant problem...I am open to other solutions but I think the problem should be addressed. The justice system is already stocked with bias.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I used to support hate crimes legislation. However, I came to the conclusion that it was so subjective, that it in some ways it in its solution to a problem of arbitrary justice, it created a standard far more arbitrary and subjective. We also believe in equality before the law and double jeopardy provisions, whilst it basically says someone's murder is a greater crime then someone else murder and turns what is one crime into two.

[tmthforu94]

I think it is clear that a problem still exists with hate crimes. The problem for me is that I don't think this solves anything, and the even greater problem is that I am not sure what does. As everyone else in this thread has stated, it is just incredibly difficult to prosecute hate crimes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 72 hours to motion assume sponsorship of this act.

Are there going to be any amendments forthcoming on this?

[TNF]

I motion to table this act, provided that someone takes sponsorship.

[Maxwell]

second

[tmthforu94]

As I'm not entirely familiar with OSPR on the subject of sponsorship, would it be quicker to have someone assume sponsorship and then table, or just leave it unsponsored and let it die? If it is the former, I will assume sponsorship.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The quickest way at this stage would be for no one to assume sponsorship, then it will be automatically tabled on Sunday morning.


A motion to table requires a 48 hour vote and that would thus not end until Sunday morning anyway anyway.

[Maxwell]

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the numbers from our GM.

[President Tyrion]

Yup, just about to post that

No reason to repeal this law.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Yep, like I said, hate laws in general are pretty useless because they really protect no one. They're just a feel good law that people can point to so they will feel better. I am not here to make any of you feel better, so I think this law would be useless to enact.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

With no one having motioned to assume sponsorship and time having expired, the bill has been pulled from the floor for lacking a sponsor.