Ukraine Crisis

[RogueBeaver]

Resolution is ambiguous: mentions "Ukrainian territory (in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea) ... I submit a proposal on using the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine until the normalisation of the socio-political situation in the that country."

CBG in the Black Sea? Or a couple of SSNs?

[Peeperkorn]

And no one will do a damn thing.

I'm sorry for sounding cynical here, but what actually can be done?

Exchange Ukraine for Syria?

[RogueBeaver]

Wonder if Putin invades all of Eastern Ukraine or most of Ukraine before pulling back and securing puppet state a la Georgia.

Federation Council unanimously approved AUMF.

[Peeperkorn]

Wonder if Putin invades all of Eastern Ukraine or most of Ukraine before pulling back and securing puppet state a la Georgia.

Federation Council unanimously approved AUMF.

Wait, wait, wait.

No invasion for the moment. Well, yes in Crimea, but it was never an actual part of Ukraine anyway.

I think that now we should watch how Ethnic Russian Ukrainians interact with the real Ukrainians and the new government and if they reach an agreement (more autonomy).

If not, perhaps we could have a new Transnistria de facto between Ukraine and Russia.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt: Russian military intervention a violation of international law.

[RogueBeaver]

Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt: Russian military intervention a violation of international law.

Insert a certain Stalin paraphrase.

[Peeperkorn]

Thank god we have the mighty Swedish army in our side in this time of darkness.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Still, all the seriously scary stuff aside, you have to be amused at the hilarious lack of consistency in the reporting of everything that's going on. One minute the Western media is very much in favour of revolutionary mobs seizing control of government buildings and so on, and now suddenly they are not so keen on the idea. And the same is true (in perfect reverse) for the Russian media.

Shocking, I tell you, shocking.

[Peeperkorn]

All I can say is that Putin's actions were... unexpected.

I "joked" with Hungary 1956, but I thought it would only happen in a situation of national chaos.

[Cory]

The Russian parliament has approved the use of force in the Ukraine.

[politicus]

Thank god we have the mighty Swedish army in our side in this time of darkness.

All 50.000 of them!

But I think Bildt is right to state this obvious fact. All countries in Europe should condemn this aggression.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Thank god we have the mighty Swedish army in our side in this time of darkness.

All 50.000 of them!

Still, they'd probably kick our asses

[CatoMinor]

Thank god we have the mighty Swedish army in our side in this time of darkness.

Time for revenge for the Great Northern War?

[Middle-aged Europe]

- The Federation Council of Russia demands recalling the Russian ambassador to the United States in response to "Obama's insulting statement on the situation in Ukraine".

- Vitali Klitschko has called for a general mobilization of Ukrainian armed forces.

- Emergency session of the UN Security Council planned for later today, emergency meeting of EU foreign ministers most likely planned for monday.

- Lithuanian foreign minister Linas Linkevicius has suggested a meeting of the North Atlantic Council in accordance with Article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty.

[swl]

It's not going to end well for the ethnic minorities in Crimea...

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

So is anyone else afraid Obama will go cowboy after his Syria wavering and start WWIII?

[Peeperkorn]

So is anyone else afraid Obama will go cowboy after his Syria wavering and start WWIII?

Going to war against an authoritarian warmonger with 2 thousands nuclear bombs doesn't make any sense.

We have Sweden for the moment.

[Middle-aged Europe]

As a side note, the Olympics may be over, but the Paralympics are supposed to open next Friday in Sochi.

Also, on March 26, Soyuz TMA-12M is scheduled to launch to the ISS with NASA astronaut Steven Swanson on board.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

It's not going to end well for the ethnic minorities in Crimea...

I'm far more concerned for the non-Ukrainians in Ukraine.

[Peeperkorn]

Lithuania's FM Linkevicius has said Russia's decision to deploy forces in Ukraine means "Nato, art. 4 becomes valid," referring to article 4 of the Nato treaty. The article says Nato members must meet for consultations if "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened."

[MaxQue]

It's not going to end well for the ethnic minorities in Crimea...

I'm far more concerned for the non-Ukrainians in Ukraine.

Thank you for the new USSR propaganda, but we don't need it.

[Nhoj]

It's not going to end well for the ethnic minorities in Crimea...

I'm far more concerned for the non-Ukrainians in Ukraine.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky has been running about Crimea and the current premier of Crimea got 4% in the last elections.[he was installed by the forces occupying its parliament. ] So well you should probably fear for non Ukrainians in Ukraine, you should also fear for non Russians in Crimea.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

It's not going to end well for the ethnic minorities in Crimea...

I'm far more concerned for the non-Ukrainians in Ukraine.

Thank you for the new USSR propaganda, but we don't need it.

I fail to see any resemblance between Putin's right-wing oligarchy and the Soviet Union, nor do I see how acknowledging the open racism of much of the new Ukrainian government is "propaganda".

Lithuania's FM Linkevicius has said Russia's decision to deploy forces in Ukraine means "Nato, art. 4 becomes valid," referring to article 4 of the Nato treaty. The article says Nato members must meet for consultations if "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened."

This would make sense if Ukraine were a NATO member.

[Peeperkorn]

This would make sense if Ukraine were a NATO member.

Don't tell me...

[Nhoj]

Lithuania might be claiming that their security is threatened I suppose or maybe they have a treaty with Ukraine. I agree it doesn't make sense.

Edit: well a NATO meeting does make sense just not by article 4.