Ukraine Crisis

[Beezer]

The region of Lviv has apparently sort of seceded:

The Western region of Lviv has reportedly declared independence from Ukraine in a potential breakthrough of the anti-government protests in the country.

Hours after protesters seized the prosecutor's office in central Lviv, the executive committee of the region council - also called the People's Rada – claimed control over the region.

"The regime has begun active military action against people [...] Dozens of people have been killed in Kyiv and hundreds have been wounded [...]Fulfilling the will of society, the executive committee of the Lviv region's council, the People's Rada, is assuming full responsibility for the fate of the region and its citizens," reads a statement.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-facing-civil-war-lviv-declares-independence-yanukovich-rule-1437092

[Хahar 🤔]

Hopefully the duly elected government can continue to hold strong against mob violence.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Maybe they should just get it over with and formally split the country into two. This would solve a heck of a lot of problems:

[Peeperkorn]

Maybe they should just get it over with and formally split the country into two. This would solve a heck of a lot of problems/img]

It's not that easy. Central regions are not that homogeneous:



The advantage for "europeists" is that they have a plurality of the votes of the youth even in the east.

[Peeperkorn]

And Crimea should have never been part of Ukraine. It was a Kruschev's whim and I can't understand why it didn't go back to Russia when the USSR collapsed.

[Peeperkorn]

Rumours of the Gov. allowing army to put things in order.

Sincerely, I can't see any solution for all this trouble.

[Peeperkorn]

Pro-Russian Separatism Rises In Crimea As Ukraine's Crisis Unfolds

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-crimea-rising-separatism/25268303.html

[Middle-aged Europe]

The foreign ministers of France, Germany, and Poland will be in Kiev tomorrow, so I guess it's unlikely that the Ukrainian government tries to do any bullsh**t while they're there.

[ag]

If this escalates into a virtual civil war, remember Hungary 1956.

I don't think the EU or NATO would allow a full-scale Russian invasion of the Ukraine.

Ojala. From your lips to god´s ears.

[ag]

Maybe they should just get it over with and formally split the country into two. This would solve a heck of a lot of problems:

Except for Crimea, they all feel quite Ukrainian, actually. Even in Donetsk or Luhansk - even though in those places they consider their language to be Russian (linguistically, even the dialects across the border in Russia, in Krasnodar and thereabouts, have many features that suggest classifying them as Ukrainian, but as the languages are fairly close - like German and Dutch or Castilian and Catalan - what matters is which literary standard they prefer, and in Donetsk it is overwhelmingly Russian).  But, whatever language, it is far from certain that, say, Russian troops would be much welcomed almost anywhere (Sebastopol, probably, excluded).

[Gustaf]

Hopefully the duly elected government can continue to hold strong against mob violence.

You mean hopefully they can continue to massacre young protesters? I'm sure they can but I wouldn't be so gleeful about it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

naive "liberal" students

Says the naive "socialist" high schooler.

[MaxQue]

naive "liberal" students

Says the naive "socialist" high schooler.

I think he sunk into communism, at this point.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Hopefully the duly elected government can continue to hold strong against mob violence.

You mean hopefully they can continue to massacre young protesters? I'm sure they can but I wouldn't be so gleeful about it.

I don't want to see anybody massacred, but I'm more and more concerned about the growing strenght of the far right nationalists whom, frankly, the Democrats can't control.

Trust me, those are people you don't want to gain any power.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

naive "liberal" students

Says the naive "socialist" high schooler.

You do know the protesters range from centrists to neo-Nazis, right? Ukraine will either be a slave to Merkel, a slave to Putin, or a slave to local (literal, not even hyperbolic) fascists. It will not end well.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The president is claiming there's a truce.

[CatoMinor]

Who exactly are the neo-nazis? (and please cite evidence of them being such) I have yet to see any swastikas or skinheads in the pictures of the groups attacking the gov't offices yet.

I have no doubt that there are likely some racists and anti-immigrants in the groups, but that does not equal neo-nazi.  

[Hnv1]

Who exactly are the neo-nazis? (and please cite evidence of them being such) I have yet to see any swastikas or skinheads in the pictures of the groups attacking the gov't offices yet.

I have no doubt that there are likely some racists and anti-immigrants in the groups, but that does not equal neo-nazi.  

Does the Slavic far right use the swastica often? I would think that it would be quite unpopular

[Peeperkorn]

naive "liberal" students

Says the naive "socialist" high schooler.

You do know the protesters range from centrists to neo-Nazis, right? Ukraine will either be a slave to Merkel, a slave to Putin, or a slave to local (literal, not even hyperbolic) fascists. It will not end well.

Sos un pelotudo importante.

[CatoMinor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=1486432

live feed

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

naive "liberal" students

Says the naive "socialist" high schooler.

You do know the protesters range from centrists to neo-Nazis, right? Ukraine will either be a slave to Merkel, a slave to Putin, or a slave to local (literal, not even hyperbolic) fascists. It will not end well.

Sos un pelotudo importante.

estoy de acuerdo

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Who exactly are the neo-nazis? (and please cite evidence of them being such) I have yet to see any swastikas or skinheads in the pictures of the groups attacking the gov't offices yet.

I have no doubt that there are likely some racists and anti-immigrants in the groups, but that does not equal neo-nazi.  

Fascist elements are not limited to swastika-displaying skinheads (although there were report that a group occupying one of the government buildings displayed a flag with the Celtic Cross. )

Most of those in question as proud ideological heir to Stepan Bandera (check this dude). They're hardly pro-European, liberal crowd. They're literally fascists (and, as most of you know, I hate to use this term in a vain). Sorry, but I have zero confidence in the Democratic opposition as long as they are mixing up with such people. Es-specially if these elements are beginning to dominate the process.

[Gustaf]

Who exactly are the neo-nazis? (and please cite evidence of them being such) I have yet to see any swastikas or skinheads in the pictures of the groups attacking the gov't offices yet.

I have no doubt that there are likely some racists and anti-immigrants in the groups, but that does not equal neo-nazi.  

Does the Slavic far right use the swastica often? I would think that it would be quite unpopular

Yeah, you would, but no it isn't, is the short answer.

[Deus Naturae]

Kerry: U.S. open to sanctions.

[Miles]

Protestors/police still clashing despite the truce.