Ukraine Crisis

[Peeperkorn]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

[Middle-aged Europe]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Btw, another way to sanction Russia would be to cancel these ships:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ship_Vladivostok_%282013%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ship_Sevastopol_%28Mistral_class%29

[ag]

Hillary Clinton channels ag.

Madame secretary knows her history. And, what is more important, she knows Putin.

[Peeperkorn]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

[ag]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

Until the US cancels restrictions on oil exports, you are, unfortunately, not in much position to talk.

[Hnv1]

Some of you are in a complete panic over naught. The Russian military with all the huff and puff is a unable to fight a truly large conflict (and by all means war across Ukraine isn't a LIC what so ever), I worked with Russian military during my service, it has functioning parts but overall it's incapable of sustained mass conflict.

[Peeperkorn]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

Until the US cancels restrictions on oil exports, you are, unfortunately, not in much position to talk.

¿Perdón? Esa expresión sonó bastante personal xd.

[DINGO Joe]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

Until the US cancels restrictions on oil exports, you are, unfortunately, not in much position to talk.

Could you expound on why the US not exporting oil matters (and keep in mind it is exporting quite a bit of finished product to Europe.

[Middle-aged Europe]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

Well, they would certainly oppose admitting Russia to the EU as well. But this isn't the issue.

[ag]

Some of you are in a complete panic over naught. The Russian military with all the huff and puff is a unable to fight a truly large conflict (and by all means war across Ukraine isn't a LIC what so ever), I worked with Russian military during my service, it has functioning parts but overall it's incapable of sustained mass conflict.

German military wasn´t in too good shape in 1937 either.

[ag]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

Until the US cancels restrictions on oil exports, you are, unfortunately, not in much position to talk.

¿Perdón? Esa expresión sonó bastante personal xd.

It is an established expression in English. Nothing personal - if anything, quite hackneyed. Or am I mistaken and you are not an American?

[ag]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

Well, they would certainly oppose admitting Russia to the EU as well. But this isn't the issue.

Naturally, what he was talking was Bavaria being admitted into Russia

[ag]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

Until the US cancels restrictions on oil exports, you are, unfortunately, not in much position to talk.

Could you expound on why the US not exporting oil matters (and keep in mind it is exporting quite a bit of finished product to Europe.

It did not matter before the recent expansion of US oil output. But, at this point, there is an increasing gap emerging between US and world oil prices (yes, of course, this is only possible because not oil is exactly the same, but still). It will be growing. We need a unified world oil market.

[Peeperkorn]

EU could make exceptions in situations like this.

If Russia wants to play imperialism again, I can see a "fast track" scenario where Turkey and Ukraine could join the organization in little time. Both nations have a high HDI (in fact, Ukraine is more developed than Turkey).

This would basically make the CSU run amok in Germany. In fact, Seehofer would probably prefer a Ukraine which is fully annexed by Russia over a Turkey which holds full EU membership.

Don't know. After this we will live in other geopolitical scenario.

And I don't think that bavarians would prefer Russia over Turkey.

Until the US cancels restrictions on oil exports, you are, unfortunately, not in much position to talk.

¿Perdón? Esa expresión sonó bastante personal xd.

It is an established expression in English. Nothing personal - if anything, quite hackneyed. Or am I mistaken and you are not an American?

Uruguayan. My apologies.

[MalaspinaGold]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/05/un-envoy-crimea_n_4905129.html
A UN envoy is leaving Crimea after having been mobbed by pro-Russian protestors.

[Deus Naturae]

Putin: I have no intention of annexing Crimea.

[Rocky Rockefeller]

Putin: I have no intention of annexing Crimea.

Then what, exactly, is his intentions?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Putin: I have no intention of annexing Crimea.

Then what, exactly, is his intentions?

Supporting the Crimeans in their quest for independence from the evil Neo-Nazi Ukrainians of course.  But he won't annex Crimea any more than he will annex Abkhazia, South Ossetia, or Transnistria.

[Mr. Morden]

Putin: I have no intention of annexing Crimea.

Then what, exactly, is his intentions?

Supporting the Crimeans in their quest for independence from the evil Neo-Nazi Ukrainians of course.  But he won't annex Crimea any more than he will annex Abkhazia, South Ossetia, or Transnistria.

Yeah, it actually serves his purposes more for Crimea to remain "disputed" in the sense of Abkhzia, Transnistria, etc., than for it to be officially absorbed into Russia in a way that's internationally recognized.  If Ukraine includes territory whose status remains disputed like that, then it's less likely to be admitted into NATO, the EU, etc.

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

Putin: I have no intention of annexing Crimea.

Then what, exactly, is his intentions?

Supporting the Crimeans in their quest for independence from the evil Neo-Nazi Ukrainians of course.  But he won't annex Crimea any more than he will annex Abkhazia, South Ossetia, or Transnistria.

Yeah, it actually serves his purposes more for Crimea to remain "disputed" in the sense of Abkhzia, Transnistria, etc., then for it to be officially absorbed into Russia in a way that's internationally recognized.  If Ukraine includes territory whose status remains disputed like that, then it's less likely to be admitted into NATO, the EU, etc.

Another thing is that Pro-Russian politicians in the Ukraine are dependent upon Crimea's pro Russian vote. Without it, Ukraine is slanted towards being pro-west.

[Famous Mortimer]

Putin: I have no intention of annexing Crimea.

Then what, exactly, is his intentions?

Supporting the Crimeans in their quest for independence from the evil Neo-Nazi Ukrainians of course.  But he won't annex Crimea any more than he will annex Abkhazia, South Ossetia, or Transnistria.

Yeah, it actually serves his purposes more for Crimea to remain "disputed" in the sense of Abkhzia, Transnistria, etc., then for it to be officially absorbed into Russia in a way that's internationally recognized.  If Ukraine includes territory whose status remains disputed like that, then it's less likely to be admitted into NATO, the EU, etc.

Another thing is that Pro-Russian politicians in the Ukraine are dependent upon Crimea's pro Russian vote. Without it, Ukraine is slanted towards being pro-west.

Not really.

I mean, it helps them certainly but it's not absolutely necessary.

I know Yanyukovych would have lost without Crimea but Yanukovych was basically a known attempted murderer.

If there was a pro-Russian candidate who didn't also advocate killing innocent people he would be able to win quite easily.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Not now. If Putin's aim was to take control of Ukraine via a pro-Russian government, he's horribly misplayed his hand. But I don't think that is Putin's aim.  What happened with Yanukovych I think convinced him that the EU would interfere sufficiently that he would not be able to bring all of Ukraine into his orbit.  So he aimed for Crimea with what's going on in Eastern Ukraine intended mainly as a bargaining chip rather than a serious attempt at control unless he got lucky.

[Famous Mortimer]

Also, has everyone seen the final wording of the Crimea referendum? Beyond being vague, it's literally meaningless. To paraphrase: Crimea is independent but it is part of Ukraine by virtue of agreements.

Huh?

No matter if "yes" or "no" wins, the Russians can claim their side won.

"Oh, they said 'no' that means Crimea did not agree to be part of Ukraine"

"Oh, they said 'yes' that means Crimea is free to declare independence"

Obviously both answers could also be interpreted as pro-Ukrainian as well.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If I was a leader of the anti-Russian side I'd be urging a boycott of it.