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« Reply #125 on: February 21, 2014, 11:44:44 AM »
« edited: February 21, 2014, 11:48:53 AM by President of the BLAND Corporation »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on February 21, 2014, 11:39:00 AM
Rada has just voted to release Tymoshenko.

The Ukrainian Parliament has also voted to release all protesters who have been arrested the last couple of days. And they voted to remove the Minister of Interior from office.

Mhm, if the Maidan protestors keep pushing now maybe they could get rid of Yanukovych after all. Today's agreement doesn't explicitly exclude an impeachment. Tongue
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« Reply #126 on: February 21, 2014, 12:42:11 PM »
This is a mail I received today from my Ukrainian friend:

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« Reply #127 on: February 21, 2014, 02:46:42 PM »
Quote from: Kalwejt on February 21, 2014, 01:06:59 AM
Go meddle in your own f**king hemisphere, please.

Our interests expand beyond our own hemisphere, sorry.
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« Reply #128 on: February 21, 2014, 03:07:25 PM »
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Quote from: Kalwejt on February 21, 2014, 01:06:59 AM
Go meddle in your own f**king hemisphere, please.

Our interests expand beyond our own hemisphere, sorry.

Well, if you think that by getting involved in the way you spoke of now, and totally destablizing Central Europe when the peaceful resolutuion is still possible, you're going to advance the U.S. interest, then you're just naive. If only it will make Putin very happy.
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« Reply #129 on: February 21, 2014, 03:09:44 PM »
Protestors are calling for Yanukovych to leave by 10 AM tomorrow or else. Opposition leaders got a hostile reception when addressing the crowd. Meanwhile in the Rada, an impeachment bill has been filed.
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« Reply #130 on: February 21, 2014, 04:10:12 PM »
Decent article, at least from my perspective.
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« Reply #131 on: February 21, 2014, 04:31:25 PM »
A lot of unconfirmed reports that Yanukovych and some of his top allies have either fled by air to Kharkiv or from Kharkiv to Russia.
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« Reply #132 on: February 21, 2014, 04:33:09 PM »
Quote from: Kalwejt on February 21, 2014, 03:07:25 PM
Well, if you think that by getting involved in the way you spoke of now, and totally destablizing Central Europe when the peaceful resolutuion is still possible, you're going to advance the U.S. interest, then you're just naive. If only it will make Putin very happy.

The idea isn't to prevent a peaceful resolution, it is to make sure that said resolution is in favor of the faction which benefits our interests. The idea is to bring Ukraine close to the EU in the long-term. This is a chance to peel a vassal away from Russia.
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« Reply #133 on: February 21, 2014, 04:36:24 PM »
Ukrainian media outlet cites presidential administration sources as saying Yanukovych and a handful of top allies and guards are Kharkiv-bound.
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« Reply #134 on: February 21, 2014, 04:38:12 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on February 21, 2014, 04:31:25 PM
A lot of unconfirmed reports that Yanukovych and some of his top allies have either fled by air to Kharkiv or from Kharkiv to Russia.

Great news!
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« Reply #135 on: February 21, 2014, 04:38:34 PM »

Strikes me as an indicator that the peace deal isn't going well.
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« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2014, 04:52:10 PM »
Ukrainian media reporting that there's 20000 anti-Yanukovych protestors marching in Kharkiv now. Here's an alleged video.
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« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2014, 04:58:01 PM »
Yanukovych's personal belongings are being evacuated from his Kyiv residence, local media say.
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« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2014, 05:08:04 PM »
Apparently he'll make a statement about "the split of Ukraine", whatever the hell that means. Hopefully only metaphorical.
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« Reply #139 on: February 21, 2014, 05:21:35 PM »
Quote from: Cory on February 21, 2014, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: Kalwejt on February 21, 2014, 01:06:59 AM
Go meddle in your own f**king hemisphere, please.

Our interests expand beyond our own hemisphere, sorry.

Who cares about the Ukranian people, right, as long as it serves American interests.
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« Reply #140 on: February 21, 2014, 05:31:36 PM »
Quote from: Franzl on February 21, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
Who cares about the Ukranian people, right, as long as it serves American interests.

Welcome to geo-politics.
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« Reply #141 on: February 21, 2014, 05:35:26 PM »
Quote from: Cory on February 21, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Franzl on February 21, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
Who cares about the Ukranian people, right, as long as it serves American interests.

Welcome to geo-politics.
1989 called. They want their approach to foreign policy back (duh-dum-ching).
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« Reply #142 on: February 21, 2014, 05:43:31 PM »
Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on February 21, 2014, 05:35:26 PM
1989 called. They want their approach to foreign policy back (duh-dum-ching).

It's not a Cold War thing. This is how it's always been done. It's like does anyone really think the UK went to war with Germany in 1914 because they were just "so concerned" about poor little Belgium. No, they went to war to stop Germany from becoming the dominant European power generally. Belgium was just a casus belli.

It's the same now as it ever was. The United States has global interests and they will be upheld, although sometimes a humanitarian mask is necessary (ala Libya 2011).
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« Reply #143 on: February 21, 2014, 05:50:35 PM »
Quote from: Cory on February 21, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on February 21, 2014, 05:35:26 PM
1989 called. They want their approach to foreign policy back (duh-dum-ching).

It's not a Cold War thing. This is how it's always been done. It's like does anyone really think the UK went to war with Germany in 1914 because they were just "so concerned" about poor little Belgium. No, they went to war to stop Germany from becoming the dominant European power generally. Belgium was just a casus belli.

It's the same now as it ever was. The United States has global interests and they will be upheld, although sometimes a humanitarian mask is necessary (ala Libya 2011).

So we should just embrace geopolitical sociopathy instead of backing away from it?
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« Reply #144 on: February 21, 2014, 05:59:13 PM »
Quote from: Cory on February 21, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on February 21, 2014, 05:35:26 PM
1989 called. They want their approach to foreign policy back (duh-dum-ching).

It's not a Cold War thing. This is how it's always been done. It's like does anyone really think the UK went to war with Germany in 1914 because they were just "so concerned" about poor little Belgium. No, they went to war to stop Germany from becoming the dominant European power generally. Belgium was just a casus belli.

It's the same now as it ever was. The United States has global interests and they will be upheld, although sometimes a humanitarian mask is necessary (ala Libya 2011).
America should be keeping the Russians at bay in North and South America. The EU is big enough of a bloc to take care of itself.
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« Reply #145 on: February 21, 2014, 06:11:17 PM »
Quote from: Snowstalker on February 21, 2014, 05:50:35 PM
So we should just embrace geopolitical sociopathy instead of backing away from it?

If only life were that simple. "Geo-political sociopathy" is geo-politics. Not to say there isn't room for humanitarianism (for example I think we should've intervened in Rwanda) but at the end of the day we have to do what is necessary lest our enemies gain the upper hand.
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« Reply #146 on: February 21, 2014, 06:15:17 PM »
« Edited: March 03, 2014, 06:52:51 AM by afleitch »
I know you'll find it very difficult to do this, but, please, please, please, please stop being a c-nt.
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« Reply #147 on: February 21, 2014, 06:23:02 PM »
Quote from: Cory on February 21, 2014, 06:11:17 PM
Quote from: Snowstalker on February 21, 2014, 05:50:35 PM
So we should just embrace geopolitical sociopathy instead of backing away from it?

If only life were that simple. "Geo-political sociopathy" is geo-politics. Not to say there isn't room for humanitarianism (for example I think we should've intervened in Rwanda) but at the end of the day we have to do what is necessary lest our enemies gain the upper hand.

Spoken like a true HP. Congratulations.
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« Reply #148 on: February 21, 2014, 06:26:09 PM »
Did someone did an IP check to be sure than Cory and krazen aren't the same person?
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« Reply #149 on: February 21, 2014, 06:32:09 PM »
Different subspecies of reprobate, I fear.
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