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« Reply #175 on: February 22, 2014, 10:24:52 AM »

May 25 presidential election. Bildt: Ukrainian territorial integrity guaranteed by all European countries.
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« Reply #176 on: February 22, 2014, 10:30:10 AM »

He's been located at a Kharkiv golf club. Only 40km from Russia.
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« Reply #177 on: February 22, 2014, 10:48:58 AM »

Reports that Tymoshenko has left prison.
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« Reply #178 on: February 22, 2014, 10:50:03 AM »

He's been located at a Kharkiv golf club. Only 40km from Russia.

What!? He's f[inks]ing playing golf!?
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« Reply #179 on: February 22, 2014, 10:54:06 AM »

Hague: he and Steinmeier agreed to support new government, push for IMF package.
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« Reply #180 on: February 22, 2014, 10:58:22 AM »

Tymoshenko is apparently headed to Maidan.
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« Reply #181 on: February 22, 2014, 11:06:19 AM »

Russian TV is broadcasting Yanukovych's "alternative congress", which also has Russian MPs in attendance.
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« Reply #182 on: February 22, 2014, 11:13:09 AM »

The mayor and governor of Kharkiv have fled to Russia.
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« Reply #183 on: February 22, 2014, 11:18:06 AM »

Tymoshenko leaving the prison:

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« Reply #184 on: February 22, 2014, 11:50:06 AM »

Parliament speaker (who's also Acting President): Yanukovych tried to flee to Russia but is now in his hometown of Donetsk. His former interior minister was also given an ultimatum by Belarus to quit the country by 1800 local.

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« Reply #185 on: February 22, 2014, 12:03:15 PM »

Apparently border officials stopped him from boarding a plane.
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« Reply #186 on: February 22, 2014, 12:40:30 PM »

I mind you being an HP. I mind that your conception of reality is very unrealistic.

The opposite is true. The fact that self-interest dominates international relations is backed up by almost all of human history.

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« Reply #187 on: February 22, 2014, 12:42:06 PM »

I mind you being an HP. I mind that your conception of reality is very unrealistic.

The opposite is true. The fact that self-interest dominates international relations is backed up by almost all of human history.



Unsuprisingly you're missing the point.
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« Reply #188 on: February 22, 2014, 12:43:49 PM »

Unsuprisingly you're missing the point.

You and Franzl keep saying vague things like this, but have yet to provide any supporting logic whatsoever.
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« Reply #189 on: February 22, 2014, 01:15:20 PM »

Fine, whatever. You are a very clever little boy. HAVE A GOLD STAR!!!!11
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« Reply #190 on: February 22, 2014, 01:35:50 PM »

It seems that some of the party of regions members voted for his removal.
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« Reply #191 on: February 22, 2014, 01:37:34 PM »

Fine, whatever. You are a very clever little boy. HAVE A GOLD STAR!!!!11

Only I get to hand out gold stars on here Wink And Cory hasn't done his homework so no red pen smiley face either.
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« Reply #192 on: February 22, 2014, 02:08:00 PM »

Unsuprisingly you're missing the point.

You and Franzl keep saying vague things like this, but have yet to provide any supporting logic whatsoever.

I have explained a page or two ago. It's not my fault you need to work on your reading comprehension.
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« Reply #193 on: February 22, 2014, 02:21:27 PM »

Cory, while you might think Ukraine to be a good case for a seminar on "Basics of Geopolitics", there are actually some here who know, and are concerned about, real people living there. Just imagine for a moment we wouldn't be talking Ukraine but Canada or Cuba instead, and consider whether in that case you would still stick to your statements.
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« Reply #194 on: February 22, 2014, 02:43:53 PM »

Ahkmetov stressed the need for a "strong, independent and united Ukraine." So if Yanukovych is planning some sort of secessionist gambit, his top oligarchic ally won't support it.
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« Reply #195 on: February 22, 2014, 03:09:45 PM »

Ahkmetov stressed the need for a "strong, independent and united Ukraine." So if Yanukovych is planning some sort of secessionist gambit, his top oligarchic ally won't support it.
Oligarchs fear international isolation if they support separatism. Akhmetov's Shakthar can be expelled of European competitions and his money can be freezed. And oligarchs know that they'll be kingmakers in Presidential election between Klitschko and Tymoshenko.
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« Reply #196 on: February 22, 2014, 03:18:23 PM »

Speaking of that, no idea what'll happen there. Will rump POR present a candidate? Will the party leaders change their earlier agreement to all run in the jungle? That presumed a runoff with Yanukovych or now, whoever from POR might take his place.
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« Reply #197 on: February 22, 2014, 03:20:44 PM »

POR is pretty much an "one-man party", so I really doubt it. Only if they make some kind of rushed coalition with other Russia-oriented forces.
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« Reply #198 on: February 22, 2014, 03:29:21 PM »

So is anyone here actually trying to understand this on its own terms as opposed to putting and inserting inappropriate narratives to make this situation seem 'coherent'?

The particular narrative chosen, of course, depends on the arbitrary whims and intuitions of the poster in question and thus a pretty unremarkable 'analysis'.

I support whichever side is pro-civil unions ftr.
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« Reply #199 on: February 22, 2014, 03:37:08 PM »

So is anyone here actually trying to understand this on its own terms as opposed to putting and inserting inappropriate narratives to make this situation seem 'coherent'?

The particular narrative chosen, of course, depends on the arbitrary whims and intuitions of the poster in question and thus a pretty unremarkable 'analysis'.

I support whichever side is pro-civil unions ftr.

I'm just waiting for Thomas Freidman to weigh in with his lucid commentary, naturally.
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