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« Reply #925 on: March 10, 2014, 12:20:36 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/05/putin-nobel-prize_n_4904768.html

Naturally some genius decided it was a brilliant idea to nominate Putin for a Nobel Peace Prize (Again).

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.
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« Reply #926 on: March 10, 2014, 12:48:40 PM »

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.

The article you cited states that Putin was nominated in October, so Ukraine didn't factor into this and hence can't constitute a reason for its inappropriateness.
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« Reply #927 on: March 10, 2014, 01:03:28 PM »

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.

The article you cited states that Putin was nominated in October, so Ukraine didn't factor into this and hence can't constitute a reason for its inappropriateness.

No, the article notes  that "it had likely submitted in October" not that it definitely was submitted in October, plus it also cites Voice of Russia, which is basically a Putin propaganda arm.
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« Reply #928 on: March 10, 2014, 01:14:53 PM »
« Edited: March 10, 2014, 01:17:01 PM by Strategos Autokrator »

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.

The article you cited states that Putin was nominated in October, so Ukraine didn't factor into this and hence can't constitute a reason for its inappropriateness.

No, the article notes  that "it had likely submitted in October" not that it definitely was submitted in October, plus it also cites Voice of Russia, which is basically a Putin propaganda arm.

Deadline for the nominations was Feb. 1, which is still well before Crimea.
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« Reply #929 on: March 10, 2014, 01:37:49 PM »

Where are Russian troops stationed right now?
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« Reply #930 on: March 10, 2014, 04:16:54 PM »

Where are Russian troops stationed right now?

Crimea? Unless you are asking more specifically.
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« Reply #931 on: March 10, 2014, 06:46:46 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/05/putin-nobel-prize_n_4904768.html

Naturally some genius decided it was a brilliant idea to nominate Putin for a Nobel Peace Prize (Again).

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.
Yasser [inks]ing Arafat got a nobel prize. It is a joke.
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« Reply #932 on: March 10, 2014, 07:14:31 PM »

Where are Russian troops stationed right now?

Perhaps this might help. The last update was a week ago, but anyway.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html
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« Reply #933 on: March 10, 2014, 08:33:38 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/05/putin-nobel-prize_n_4904768.html

Naturally some genius decided it was a brilliant idea to nominate Putin for a Nobel Peace Prize (Again).

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.
Yasser [inks]ing Arafat got a nobel prize. It is a joke.

You don't really understand why Yasser Arafat won.
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« Reply #934 on: March 10, 2014, 08:51:58 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/05/putin-nobel-prize_n_4904768.html

Naturally some genius decided it was a brilliant idea to nominate Putin for a Nobel Peace Prize (Again).

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.
Yasser [inks]ing Arafat got a nobel prize. It is a joke.

You don't really understand why Yasser Arafat won.

Neither does anyone else.
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« Reply #935 on: March 10, 2014, 09:37:19 PM »

Henry Kissinger and Barack Obama have Nobel Peace Prizes. The award isn't exactly meaningful.
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« Reply #936 on: March 11, 2014, 03:04:05 AM »
« Edited: March 11, 2014, 03:07:13 AM by Strategos Autokrator »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/05/putin-nobel-prize_n_4904768.html

Naturally some genius decided it was a brilliant idea to nominate Putin for a Nobel Peace Prize (Again).

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.
Yasser [inks]ing Arafat got a nobel prize. It is a joke.

At the time, it did seem like a good idea to award it to Arafat. Nobody could foresee that the reason for awarding it to him would disappear again shortly thereafter.

Menachem Begin also won the Nobel peace prize, despite the fact that he was responsible - among other things - for the King David Hotel bombing in 1946 which had killed 91 innocent people. Almost nobody seems to question Begin winning the peace prize, probably because the reason for awarding it to Begin - creating lasting peace between Israel and Egypt - didn't disappear almost instantly.

Of course, if we assume that past "evil" actions can't be cancelled out by whatever good you have done since then, then neither Begin nor Arafat deserved the Nobel prize. Strictly speaking, both men deserved to go to jail for life and to have the Nobel peace prize be awarded to them.

In any case, this is just a nomination Putin has received and hence it is completely meaningless. Pretty much everybody has been nominated for the Nobel peace prize since it has come into existence. Hitler and Stalin were nominated for the Peace prize too.
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« Reply #937 on: March 11, 2014, 05:46:59 AM »

Let's not kid ourselves here. Arafat may have been an authoritarian ruler, but it is simply a fact that any possible Palestinian leader that wouldn't be an outright Quisling to his own people, would always find himself automatically vilified in the post-Holocaust West merely for being opposed by Jews.
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« Reply #938 on: March 11, 2014, 05:52:31 AM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/05/putin-nobel-prize_n_4904768.html

Naturally some genius decided it was a brilliant idea to nominate Putin for a Nobel Peace Prize (Again).

Given Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and unnecessary meddling in Syria, this is totally inappropriate.

A lot of people gets nominated. Bush was nominated in 2003, right after Iraq, by some nutjob. Even Godwin character was nominated. Big f**king deal.

He's not getting Nobel anyway.
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« Reply #939 on: March 11, 2014, 10:37:35 AM »

Let's... direct the conversation back on topic...
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« Reply #940 on: March 11, 2014, 11:02:51 AM »

There has been no Ukranian Nobel prize winners in literature.

This carries staggering implications. Where will the people turn without their books but to anarchy?
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« Reply #941 on: March 11, 2014, 11:11:13 AM »

There has been no Ukranian Nobel prize winners in literature.

And?
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« Reply #942 on: March 11, 2014, 01:31:03 PM »

There has been no Ukranian Nobel prize winners in literature.

Unfortunately, I am not sure there is anybody, currently writing in Ukrainian, who is likely to ever get it. Then, again, I do not know much about the current Ukrainian literature.

Of the living Russian-language writers there is one, who is, most definitely deserving. And he happens to be Abkhaz: Fazil Iskander. That would be an interesting choice. But it would be very hard to interpret in the context of the Ukrainian situation Smiley
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« Reply #943 on: March 11, 2014, 05:25:06 PM »

There has been no Ukranian Nobel prize winners in literature.

Unfortunately, I am not sure there is anybody, currently writing in Ukrainian, who is likely to ever get it. Then, again, I do not know much about the current Ukrainian literature.

Of the living Russian-language writers there is one, who is, most definitely deserving. And he happens to be Abkhaz: Fazil Iskander. That would be an interesting choice. But it would be very hard to interpret in the context of the Ukrainian situation Smiley
If I were on the Nobel Price committee, Iskander had my vote. Does he actually have Russian, or Kirgiz nationality?
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« Reply #944 on: March 11, 2014, 07:52:05 PM »

There has been no Ukranian Nobel prize winners in literature.

Unfortunately, I am not sure there is anybody, currently writing in Ukrainian, who is likely to ever get it. Then, again, I do not know much about the current Ukrainian literature.

Of the living Russian-language writers there is one, who is, most definitely deserving. And he happens to be Abkhaz: Fazil Iskander. That would be an interesting choice. But it would be very hard to interpret in the context of the Ukrainian situation Smiley
If I were on the Nobel Price committee, Iskander had my vote. Does he actually have Russian, or Kirgiz nationality?

You are confusing him with Chingiz Aitmatov, I guess.

Iskander is not a Kyrgyz, but an Abkhaz (approximately nothing in common, except for Muslim ancestry and Soviet history). He has lived most of his life in Moscow, and has only written in Russian. So, of course, he is a Russian citizen.
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« Reply #945 on: March 13, 2014, 12:45:24 AM »

http://time.com/22125/ukraine-crimea-cossacks-russia/

Armed Cossacks have taken to "patrolling" Crimea, and building fortifications, among other details.
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« Reply #946 on: March 13, 2014, 08:00:30 AM »

The Greens in the European Parliament have started a petition which demands that former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder should be banned from starting any more threads on Ukraine or Crimea.

Well, it's a resolution actually... and it says that he should refrain from making any more statements on the issue because of his pro-Russia stance and his conflict of interest because of his involvement with Gazprom. But it reads like a petition to the Atlas mods. Tongue
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« Reply #947 on: March 13, 2014, 08:39:11 PM »

http://time.com/22125/ukraine-crimea-cossacks-russia/

Armed Cossacks have taken to "patrolling" Crimea, and building fortifications, among other details.
Ukraine can easily kick them out by arming a few angry, pipe-hitting Crimean Tartars with Aks and plyers.
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« Reply #948 on: March 13, 2014, 09:26:02 PM »

http://time.com/22125/ukraine-crimea-cossacks-russia/

Armed Cossacks have taken to "patrolling" Crimea, and building fortifications, among other details.
Ukraine can easily kick them out by arming a few angry, pipe-hitting Crimean Tartars with Aks and plyers.

Hardly.  Even before the upcoming anchluss, the Russians were the majority in the Crimea and Russia has a much more robust military than Ukraine. Putin of course would love the excuse he had been hoping to get for his conduct, but thankfully Ukraine did learn the lesson of Georgia.  You need to use diplomacy and not military means to have any hope of confronting Russia and winning.  Granted, it's a slim hope, but it's better than the zero chance they'd have if they went military in their response.
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« Reply #949 on: March 13, 2014, 09:50:36 PM »

http://time.com/22125/ukraine-crimea-cossacks-russia/

Armed Cossacks have taken to "patrolling" Crimea, and building fortifications, among other details.
Ukraine can easily kick them out by arming a few angry, pipe-hitting Crimean Tartars with Aks and plyers.

Hardly.  Even before the upcoming anchluss, the Russians were the majority in the Crimea and Russia has a much more robust military than Ukraine. Putin of course would love the excuse he had been hoping to get for his conduct, but thankfully Ukraine did learn the lesson of Georgia.  You need to use diplomacy and not military means to have any hope of confronting Russia and winning.  Granted, it's a slim hope, but it's better than the zero chance they'd have if they went military in their response.

Russia is concentrating troops on the border with Ukraine - far from Crimea. A public commitment to defense of, at least, mainland Ukraine is urgent. Otherwise, we will be discussing Poland a lot sooner than most think.
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