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« Reply #1125 on: March 27, 2014, 05:22:07 AM »
« edited: March 27, 2014, 05:27:28 AM by swl »

Also seems to dispel this notion that the Ukrainian government is fascist or propped up by these people.

Maybe...but then again, Svoboda still is very much a part of the government. Tongue

In the cabinet, they control the ministries of environment and agriculture... and are probably pushing for a fascist agriculture policy for Ukraine or something.
The EU would still sanction any other country where this happens (Austria and Hungary did not even need neo-nazis ministers to be sanctioned). I think the EU should have waited the elections and a new government without any neo-nazi at all before signing the association agreement.
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« Reply #1126 on: March 27, 2014, 07:52:05 AM »

I have a question : of the few countries that recognized the legitimacy of the referendum, I get why most of them did (eg : Venezuela, Syria etc.), but why in the world would Uganda do it ? Is there something I don't know ? Do they also have an irredentist region in a neighboring country that they would very much like to seize ?

United in their struggle against homosexuality?
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« Reply #1127 on: March 27, 2014, 10:40:01 AM »

The interim Ukrainian government just announced they were raising home gas prices 50% to make the IMF happy.
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« Reply #1128 on: March 27, 2014, 10:44:08 AM »

The interim Ukrainian government just announced they were raising home gas prices 50% to make the IMF happy.

The neoliberal vultures are already descending upon poor Ukraine. Why is this not a surprise?
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« Reply #1129 on: March 27, 2014, 11:08:57 AM »

This won't end well. At all.
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« Reply #1130 on: March 27, 2014, 11:10:32 AM »

The interim Ukrainian government just announced they were raising home gas prices 50% to make the IMF happy.

So which backlash candidate is going to win in x years time?
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« Reply #1131 on: March 27, 2014, 11:24:29 AM »

Afghanistan? Ah, we need to do something to them.

As for the gas, Congressional inaction strikes again. We should already be exporting gas to Ukraine, subsidised by seized Russian assets (which we've given them enough time to withdraw by now).
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« Reply #1132 on: March 27, 2014, 12:02:28 PM »
« Edited: March 27, 2014, 12:12:08 PM by Strategos Autokrator »

The United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution supporting territorial integrity for Ukraine and declaring the Crimean referendum on March 16 invalid.

100 yes votes, 11 no votes, 58 abstentions.

The "no" votes were:

- Armenia
- Belarus
- Bolivia
- Cuba
- Nicaragua
- North Korea
- Russia
- Sudan
- Syria
- Venezuela
- Zimbabwe

China abstained for obvious reason. On one hand, they don't want to support the West. On the other hand, they don't want a precedent for a formal Taiwan secession.

Russia's ally Kazakhstan also abstained.
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« Reply #1133 on: March 27, 2014, 02:06:54 PM »

At first glance it seems odd that Crimea will be moving their clocks ahead two hours.  Granted, the change in time zone is one more way of emphasizing they are not Ukraine, but a change of one hour would accomplish that.  However Russia for some weird reason is on permanent daylight savings, so if they only shifted one hour they'd be sharing the same time as Ukraine during the summer.  So instead of having a time zone close to solar time, the Crimea will be close to two hours ahead because of stupid politics that will keep them from having a reasonable time zone.

Russia (or at least western Russia) is on double summer time, isn't it? The first shift happened around when the USSR was formed and the second happened recently.
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« Reply #1134 on: March 27, 2014, 03:13:29 PM »

40k Russian troops, including many of their best units, are on the Ukrainian border now.
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« Reply #1135 on: March 27, 2014, 03:27:02 PM »

The United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution supporting territorial integrity for Ukraine and declaring the Crimean referendum on March 16 invalid.

100 yes votes, 11 no votes, 58 abstentions.

The "no" votes were:

- Armenia
- Belarus
- Bolivia
- Cuba
- Nicaragua
- North Korea
- Russia
- Sudan
- Syria
- Venezuela
- Zimbabwe

China abstained for obvious reason. On one hand, they don't want to support the West. On the other hand, they don't want a precedent for a formal Taiwan secession.

Russia's ally Kazakhstan also abstained.

Interesting that only 3 of the 6 members or candidates of the Eurasian Union voted no.  In addition to Kazakhstan, Eurasian Union candidate countries Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan also abstained.
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« Reply #1136 on: March 27, 2014, 04:11:03 PM »

At first glance it seems odd that Crimea will be moving their clocks ahead two hours.  Granted, the change in time zone is one more way of emphasizing they are not Ukraine, but a change of one hour would accomplish that.  However Russia for some weird reason is on permanent daylight savings, so if they only shifted one hour they'd be sharing the same time as Ukraine during the summer.  So instead of having a time zone close to solar time, the Crimea will be close to two hours ahead because of stupid politics that will keep them from having a reasonable time zone.

Russia (or at least western Russia) is on double summer time, isn't it? The first shift happened around when the USSR was formed and the second happened recently.

It's on permanent double time, summer and winter. Moscow Time is UTC+4 year round.  Arguably Moscow itself would naturally be UTC+2½, but half hour offsets aren't usually used, so you could make an argument that they are only on permanent summer time if you think UTC+3 is Moscow's "proper" time zone.  But both St. Petersburg and Sevastopol are properly UTC+2 and they are stuck using Moscow Time rather than adding another time zone.  Also Yekaterinburg Time is UTC+6 while by the sun it should be UTC+4, and similarly if you look at the rest of Russia as a whole it makes sense to speak of Russia being on permanent double time.

I can somewhat understand the logic of having overly broad time zones such as China's use of UTC+8 and India's use of UTC+5½ as universal national time zones despite spanning multiple time zones.  But the artificially advancing time all year that Russia does, especially to the extent Russia does, does not make sense.  (When you go fly from Vladivostok to Tokyo, you need to move your clock back 2 hours despite the fact that you flew southeast to get there.)
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« Reply #1137 on: March 27, 2014, 09:31:19 PM »

The United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution supporting territorial integrity for Ukraine and declaring the Crimean referendum on March 16 invalid.

100 yes votes, 11 no votes, 58 abstentions.

The "no" votes were:

- Armenia
- Belarus
- Bolivia
- Cuba
- Nicaragua
- North Korea
- Russia
- Sudan
- Syria
- Venezuela
- Zimbabwe

China abstained for obvious reason. On one hand, they don't want to support the West. On the other hand, they don't want a precedent for a formal Taiwan secession.

Russia's ally Kazakhstan also abstained.

Interesting that only 3 of the 6 members or candidates of the Eurasian Union voted no.  In addition to Kazakhstan, Eurasian Union candidate countries Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan also abstained.

Kyrgyzstan and Taijkistan (as well as Turkmenistan) simply did not vote.
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« Reply #1138 on: March 28, 2014, 10:44:26 PM »

Yanukovich: Hold more Crimes-style referendums in Ukraine.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/28/obama-russia-couldhaveadditionalplansforukraine.html

Ukraine’s exiled President Viktor Yanukovich on Friday pushed for a vote to let each of the country's regions determine its own status — a call serving Moscow’s desire to turn Ukraine into a loosely knit federation.

The statement from Yanukovich – a longtime Moscow ally who fled to Russia in February after three months of anti-government protests forced him out – raised the threat of more unrest in Ukraine's Russian-speaking eastern provinces, where many resent the new, West-leaning Ukrainian government.

"As a president who is with you with all my thoughts and soul, I urge every sensible citizen of Ukraine: Don't give in to impostors! Demand a referendum on the status of each region within Ukraine," Yanukovich said in an address to the people of Ukraine.

Yanukovich made the remarks on the same day that U.S. President Barack Obama and his advisors warned that Russia may have “additional plans” for Ukraine, saying a Russian troop buildup on the Ukrainian border was out of the ordinary. Russian forces took over Ukraine’s Crimea region weeks ago, and Crimeans – many of them ethnic Russians – subsequently voted in a referendum to become part of the Russian Federation. 

Obama also spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin by phone Friday, urging the Russian leader to work out a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis, according to a White House statement.

On Friday Obama was wrapping up a visit to Europe, where the United States, Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Japan and Canada warned Russia that it would face additional sanctions if it takes further action to destabilize Ukraine — and especially if Russian troops move into the eastern part of the country.

"You've seen a range of troops massing along that border under the guise of military exercises," Obama told CBS in an interview in Vatican City. "But these are not what Russia would normally be doing."
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« Reply #1139 on: March 28, 2014, 10:53:34 PM »

Yanik the traitorous puppet is still a traitorous puppet.
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« Reply #1140 on: April 01, 2014, 01:40:17 PM »

Oh dear...

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« Reply #1141 on: April 01, 2014, 01:53:49 PM »


Locate the shelters...
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« Reply #1142 on: April 01, 2014, 02:15:11 PM »
« Edited: April 01, 2014, 02:20:20 PM by MalaspinaGold »

The link appears to be broken

EDIT: nvm, is this supposed to be an April Fool's joke?
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« Reply #1143 on: April 01, 2014, 02:17:16 PM »


You forgot something.
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« Reply #1144 on: April 01, 2014, 04:10:46 PM »


This year it is still a joke. Enjoy, while it is funny Smiley
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« Reply #1145 on: April 02, 2014, 02:23:49 PM »

Yanik the traitorous puppet is still a traitorous puppet.

But is he changing tune?

Yanukovych: Russian annexation of Crimea is "a tragedy"

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« Reply #1146 on: April 05, 2014, 01:35:12 PM »

A gas relief operation would be a good way to help Ukraine without a dramatic. I think that one of worse things to happen due to Crimean anexation was full Russian control of Azov straits, depriving Ukraine of ports like Berdyansk and Mariupol. A gas relief effort, building gas terminals in Southwest Ukraine would be interesting.
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« Reply #1147 on: April 07, 2014, 07:23:31 AM »

Apparently pro Russian activists have declared Donetsk's  independence from Ukraine.  Donetsk is in eastern Ukraine. 

http://rt.com/news/donetsk-republic-protestukraine-841/
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« Reply #1148 on: April 07, 2014, 09:59:33 AM »

Apparently Russians have declared Donetsk's independence from Ukraine.  Donetsk is in eastern Ukraine. 

Russian propaganda

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« Reply #1149 on: April 07, 2014, 01:47:10 PM »

Anyway pro-Russian activists occupied a government building, proclaiming the 'People's Republic of Donetsk' and reclaiming a self-determination referendum.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/apr/07/donetsk-protesters-independence-ukraine-russia-video

The Ukrainian government appointed some oligarchs as governors in several eastern oblasts, in an attempt to support the stability of the Russian speaking regions with "well-known and powerful" personalities. However, such appointments have accomplished nothing but to inflate the indignation of pro-Russian. Some leader of the 'Donetsk Republic' called Andrei Purgin said a week ago that appointing an oligarch as Sergei Taruta -current governor of Donetsk- is "very offensive" for the local people in dire straits and warned: "in Kiev there has been a revolution, and I am afraid that the same thing is going to happen here, a revolt without the chance of going back". According to Purgin, they want to ask the people on two options: federation with Ukraine or joining Russia. He said he would conform to "a status similar to that of Bavaria in Germany".
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