Ukraine Crisis

[IceSpear]

I'm not denying that many people both in and outside America are opposed to aggressive wars started by both the US and Russia, but many of the same people criticizing Putin for wanting to protect ethnic Russians from a neo-Nazi regime see nothing wrong with Obama sending drones to turn a Yemeni wedding into a Yemeni funeral, or Bush setting up torture camps in Iraq (which he had earlier invaded under false pretext), or Clinton laying waste to basic civilian infrastructure (and civilians) in Yugoslavia, etc.

lol at you buying that protecting ethnic Russians is the reason Putin invaded. Even Bush going to Iraq due to WMDs was more believable.

[IceSpear]

I don't support the Russian invasion, but I don't support the Western propaganda surrounding it either. Both sides in Ukraine were run by corrupt oligarchs--but some of those corrupt oligarchs and their neo-Nazi lackeys were pro-EU, so they had to be the good guys.

Yanukovych killed his own country's people. The new government has not. So no, they aren't "just as bad".

[IceSpear]

Anyone think this will lead to WW3? I hope not...

No. It's looking more and more likely that the West will acquiesce to Russia annexing Crimea under the guise of their phony referendum while giving them a slap on the wrist with sanctions. The real trouble will come if Russia ever tries this with a NATO country.

[IceSpear]

95.5 percent for union with Russia. Most impressive.

Almost as impressive as Kim Jong Un's recent re-election.

[IceSpear]

http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

Conservapedia states that the reason for the vote was because of Russia's anti homesexuality laws...

Will you quit bringing up Conservapedia like its the actual voice of the Tea Party?

Well, it's the job of the Republicans to keep check on their crazies and block them from acceding elective office.

Looking at people like Foxx and Gohmert, you failed.

True. It's very rare that True Leftists get into Congress (like Cynthia McKinney and Dennis Kucinich), but right wing nutjobs seem to have a fairly easy time getting in.

[IceSpear]

You would think they'd at least lie about these numbers to make them a little more believable. Nobody's buying these 90%+ margins.

[IceSpear]

I'm not.sure how weak they are with nuclear weapons, thousands of Tanks, hundreds of billionaires with expropriable assets, public opinion by all measures supporting the regime... sure, they might have poor foreign relations but both their capability to do harm is quite high and our capability (or willingness) to retaliate still seems to be limited. The USSR was a far poorer and smaller economy than the US. That did not mean they were able to pose a major threat.

The fact that only ~52% of the member states of the UN voted yes to condemn a blatantly fraudulent, deceptive, forceful, and illegal annexation of another country, which pretty much threatens every country that prefers not to be invaded by a neighbour, is proof of how much clout Russia can wield.

It also shows what a pointless joke the UN has become.