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« on: February 18, 2014, 10:19:42 PM »
« edited: February 19, 2014, 12:11:18 AM by Rep. Deus »

The police are now bombing the protestors.
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 11:51:01 PM »

Kerry: U.S. open to sanctions.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 06:00:10 PM »

John McCain and Chris Murphy join the calls for sanctions.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2014, 06:54:52 PM »

The parliament has elected Oleksandr Turchinov, a Tymoshenko ally, Acting President.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 12:59:52 AM »

The U.S. is suspending its participation in the G8.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 07:47:40 PM »

Kerry will travel to Ukraine on Tuesday.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2014, 12:31:26 AM »

Hillary Clinton channels ag.
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2014, 10:23:32 PM »

Putin: I have no intention of annexing Crimea.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2014, 08:22:38 PM »

Eastern Ukrainians rally for secession.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 11:13:09 PM »

Tymoshenko advocated mass slaughter of Russians in leaked phone call.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2014, 11:20:47 PM »

Ukrainian air offensive kills 1,000 rebels.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2014, 05:22:23 PM »

US troops head to Ukraine.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2014, 10:04:08 PM »
« Edited: September 04, 2014, 10:47:59 PM by Deus Naturae »

"peacekeeping"

Make no mistake, this is two imperialist blocs (NATO and Russia) jockeying for control of natural gas production; Ukraine is an important proxy location as a major pipeline location. It seems now that Russia has at least the economic backing of China with their new gas deals.

This is new.

World War I started due to competition between the British and German markets. World War III will start when the will of Western markets on one side and Sino-Russian markets on the other to dominate takes over the will to mutually trade, even if for a single impulsive moment.
"Markets" don't compete. Market actors compete. Feel free to add to the list, but the only major market actors I can think that would want to end the US-China trade relationship would be American manufacturers and labor unions. So, are you saying manufacturers and labor unions will start WWIII? If so, how?

No doubt China wants to take down the US, but they have no reason to do so militarily when they can do so economically. Buying up Treasuries and promoting de-dollarization via direct bilateral trade and currency swap agreements (you mention the gas deals with Russia) are perfectly good strategies to end USD monetary hegemony and bring the US to its knees via debt and inflation.
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2014, 10:10:31 PM »

Ah, so I see you've fully embraced the "wars are fought for the sake of parasitical Capital" theory of conflict.
Well, many conflicts are fought at least in part to benefit private interests. Most American wars have been. But, it's generally specific interest groups pushing for war to maximize their profits, not "the market" making a decision as if it is were some monolithic entity with some sort of collective will.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2014, 11:08:37 PM »

Manufacturers, defense contractors, and fossil fuel magnates. That's all you need.
I'm not seeing how the scheme is supposed to work. Manufacturing lobbyists will convince Congress to enact tariffs against Chinese products and then...? It would definitely increase tensions but it's not going to provoke WWIII. Where would it be fought? China is going to invade the US?

Plus, even if such a tariff policy was enacted (I'm sure the manufacturing lobby has been trying to push it for years) it would probably we repealed pretty quickly as it would be terrible for American consumers and tons of other businesses. Sorry, but your theory just isn't plausible (unless I'm misunderstanding you and it has nothing to do with tariffs). The best chance of WWIII breaking out would be if the US tried to invade Iran, which might happen in the future but not because of Ukraine. Claiming that Ukraine will lead to WWIII because gas companies want deposits in Ukraine is just as dumb as Ag's paranoia.
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