Ukraine Crisis

[Tetro Kornbluth]

So is anyone here actually trying to understand this on its own terms as opposed to putting and inserting inappropriate narratives to make this situation seem 'coherent'?

The particular narrative chosen, of course, depends on the arbitrary whims and intuitions of the poster in question and thus a pretty unremarkable 'analysis'.

I support whichever side is pro-civil unions ftr.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I support whichever side is pro-civil unions ftr.

So in the Ukraine your candidate will be "againt all"...

(Though if any of the currently prominent Ukrainian politicians would ever support civil unions, most likely it would be Klichko, I suppose)

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[Tetro Kornbluth]

OFF TOPIC: This thread has so far added at least two people onto my ignore list. Please, I like to think of myself as kind. I don't want to add more.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Very much relevant to this thread.

I was thinking of the very same thing actually.

Also what Kalwejt said.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

For all the map fantasists, I repeat my challenge of earlier:



This is 1913. Draw a series of 'rational' ethnic boundaries. While keeping in mind that these majorities in many places were frequently waver thin... (and that cities were frequently inhabited by very different ethnic groups to the surrounding countryside... and also in many cases had large Jewish populations...).

Btw, I'm now ignoring 4 people thanks to this thread.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Btw, I'm now ignoring 4 people thanks to this thread.

Just 2 for me. For now.

Well tbf I'd be meaning to put Snowstalker on it for ages but I was lazy until I saw his sage attempts here...

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Somehow I doubt that the point of Gully's proposed exercise is to be taken so literally. The map is not the territory ought to be this forum's mantra.

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[Tetro Kornbluth]

In case it's being interpreted as an actual attempt to divide the territory of Austro-Hungarian Empire... my map is an approximation of the Nazi division of that region during World War II. 

Ah I was wondering that. Should have spotted it. Either way, Nix's point still stands.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

To no one's surprise, Russia has China's backing in its face-down with the West over Ukraine.

Perhaps China has similar designs on its neighbors as it seeks to reclaim the boundaries once held by the Qing Dynasty at its territorial zenith:

Hmm.... all that territory is in former Soviet or Soviet-allied states (except for Taiwan obviously, oh, and a small very likely to be completely uninhabited bit of India/Pakistan).

[Tetro Kornbluth]

So, no one is talking about the fact that Ukraine seems to be on the verge of civil war now?

Most of us don't speak Ukranian or Russian, so there's not really a whole lot in the way of discussion other than regurgitation of BBC News bulletins, mindless unfalsifiable speculation, or armchair sagery from our suburban homes.

If only there were people in the West who spoke Russian and could transmit such information. Dang.

I didn't know you were a fan of Russia Today, Gustaf.