Ukraine Crisis

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If this escalates into a virtual civil war, remember Hungary 1956.

I don't think the EU or NATO would allow a full-scale Russian invasion of the Ukraine.

Nor would Ukrainians. It's one thing on which government and opposition agree.

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naive "liberal" students

Says the naive "socialist" high schooler.

I think he sunk into communism, at this point.

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Convinced now ? I'm with Snowstalker and Kalwejt on this one.

He was elected to Parliament as a member of the government party. So, obliviously, he will try to remove all credibility to the opposition.

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Did someone did an IP check to be sure than Cory and krazen aren't the same person?

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It's not going to end well for the ethnic minorities in Crimea...

I'm far more concerned for the non-Ukrainians in Ukraine.

Thank you for the new USSR propaganda, but we don't need it.

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It's not going to end well for the ethnic minorities in Crimea...

I'm far more concerned for the non-Ukrainians in Ukraine.

Thank you for the new USSR propaganda, but we don't need it.

I fail to see any resemblance between Putin's right-wing oligarchy and the Soviet Union, nor do I see how acknowledging the open racism of much of the new Ukrainian government is "propaganda".

Putin's dream isrecreating the former USSR, minus its economy.

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Being under Merkel's sphere of influence isn't much better.

Yes cause German troops are rolling thru the streets of Athens. :hündinbitte:

You can't blame him, sovietic propaganda made him insane.

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Being under Merkel's sphere of influence isn't much better.

Yes cause German troops are rolling thru the streets of Athens. :hündinbitte:

You can't blame him, sovietic propaganda made him insane.

For the millionth time, opposition to the current Ukrainian government=/=support for Yanukovych or Putin.

Comparing Merkel to Putin is supporting Putin, as one is clearly worse than the other one (and it's coming from someone strongly disliking Merkel).

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I suppose all this stuff with Russia just proves Sarah Palin right.

You mean Romney, when he said Russia and not China was the US's number one foe. Then he got hammered on and ridiculed.

He was right, but it's not the kind of thing you say in public. Why not mailing them the position of all American soldiers around the world, too?

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So, did the fiscal conservatives invade the social conservatives??

No, the ex-socialists invaded social conservative land, with the support the social conservatives, against fiscal conservatives, if I remember well.

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UK and Canada have recalled their ambassadors in Moscow for consultations, Canada's suspended its G8 preparations.

Honestly, G8 should be dissolved and we should return to the previous G7.

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I don't know what Western World could or should do if they want to keep "normal" relations with Russia in the near future.

There is not much else we can do, besides waiting for Vladimir Putin to die. 

Could West speed up that process?

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What are the chances that a deal is worked out where the Ukraine formally gives Crimea to Russia, and then the Ukraine joins NATO?

None. Putin doesn't want Russia sharing a border with NATO.

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So a little under 12 hours to war then?  The only question appears to be whether Russia fires first or is able to successfully spook Ukraine into doing so.

Personally, I think the Ukrainians may well surrrender. It's the sensible thing to do now; there are too many Russian forces in Crimea.

Agreed, the should surrender for the moment. But let's not forget that Ukraine doesn't have some mickey mouse armed forces, their army is pretty strong and well-resourced. Russia would be foolish to enter into conflict.

Russians in Donetsk, Kharkiv dont want this fascist ukrainian government.

Plus there are rumblings in Riga, Vilnius with the ethnic russians.

Hello, Voice of Russia propaganda.

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Who thinks this could set a dangouse precident for other counties. 

This ethnic russians fighting for their rights. They WANT russian troops in there part of Ukraine. They are terrified of this fascist Ukrainian government. Western Ukraine use to be part of the austria-hungarian empire, they have always hated russia.

Are you Bristol Palin? You sound dense like Sarah.

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Everybody is missing an important point.

Cameron and Merkel shouldn't be trusted, because they are so weak.

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According to Al Jazeera, the Russian line on the Strilkove incident is that they were trying to prevent a "terrorist attack" on a gas plant.  (The implication was also that the Russian troops are still there.)

A "pre-emptive strike" against "terrorism"? No wonder Bush liked what he saw in Putin's soil.

I wonder when Russia will bomb the Kremlin. Plenty of terrorists there.

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The level of naivety of Westerners is sickening.

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The level of naivety of Westerners is sickening.

Do tell.

Well, everyone here seems to assume than Putin is rational and mentally sane. I'm not sure at all of that.

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http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

Conservapedia states that the reason for the vote was because of Russia's anti homesexuality laws...

Will you quit bringing up Conservapedia like its the actual voice of the Tea Party?

Well, it's the job of the Republicans to keep check on their crazies and block them from acceding elective office.

Looking at people like Foxx and Gohmert, you failed.

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The link appears to be broken

You forgot something.

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Though I will disagree on what Putin will pursue next after he swallows Donbass; he won't go west immediately. You all may be underestimating the importance of the resource-rich and, in all cases except Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, fairly pro-Moscow governments which will probably end up as part of Putin's "Union State" thing in Central Asia. If he's to annex Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan/Tajikistan he'll have to act before they fall entirely in China's sphere.

There is a complication there. A) Russia only borders on Kazakhstan. B) If the "polite people" show up in Kazakhstan they will be arrested and/or killed within hours. Kazakhstan is a proper dictatorship, if somewhat benevolent. And it has been given warning. Apparently, security services in northern Kazakhstan are super-vigilant already, taking care of shadowing visitors from Russia.

Isn't Nazarbayev going willing-ish-ly in exchange for getting to keep his control over Kazakhstan? It's already part of a customs union with Russia and they've repeatedly declared their intent to be one of the inaugural nations of the Eurasian Union when it forms in 2015 (with Russia and Belarus).

I think he has no issue with being a vassal state, but he wants to keep the control of his country.

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Perhaps 'Sudatenrussia' would be more appropriate

Or "Predatrussia", given they are traitors. It fits them them. First, predat is "betray" in Russian, second, it sounds like predator, which is exactly the current Russian behaviour.

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Ukrainian plane shot down killing 49:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/14/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/

Surely it's Ukrainians who did that to frame the Russians! It's impossible than the Russians liberators did it!

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Moreover, it is literally wrong to claim that because Edward Jenner discovered the smallpox vaccine that the United Nations was not responsible for the eradication of the disease.

If the UN didn't exist, the Red Cross would have eventually eradicated it. And even if the UN is effective in this area, is it still efective at its core political purpose?

I'm convinced you have little to no knowledge of the world outside the United States.

You probably have the same knowledge, both biaised. One by the American, sanitized, fact-deforming, biaised mass media, one by the Alternative, selective, fact-deforming, biaised internet media.