Ukraine Crisis

[Simfan34]

ag, I just wanted to say that reading this thread, I appreciate how absolutely right you are. If the West were to follow your approach, Russia could be perhaps broken for good. You should be Secretary of State.

[Simfan34]

ag, I just wanted to say that reading this thread, I appreciate how absolutely right you are. If the West were to follow your approach, Russia could be perhaps broken for good. You should be Secretary of State.

I do not want Russia broken, for good or temporarily. I grew up there. The reason I want Russia contained is precisely that I do not want a war, which would break a lot more than Russia (and may kill many of those dear to me there). At this point we can just hope it is done in time.

No, I should not be Secretary of State God forbid

Anyway, an interesting tidbit. There was only one country back in 1938 that officially protested against Anschluss at the League of Nations. And it was Mexico.

Funnily enough Mexico was also the only country to protest against Ethiopia's invasion by the (real) fascists in 1935. There is a roundabout in Addis Ababa called "Mexico Square", or at least there was, until it was obliterated to make way for some monstrous elevated rail.

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Russia Today: "Activists" block Ukrainian military from reaching Russian border

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http://rt.com/news/checkpoints-donbas-ukraine-military-458/

I suppose this is what was meant by "reading between the lines". Disturbing if it suggests that Russian forces are already deep in the rest of Ukraine.

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"Mass rally in Red Square" (on a Tuesday!) to celebrate Crimea's "return" to Russia.



Lots of flags of the "Rodina" party and the old white-yellow-black flag used by right-wingers. Interesting combination...

[Simfan34]

I'm trying to say something that isn't trite and unhelpful, but the only thing that comes to mind is "IT'S HAPPENING!". I'm interested in seeing what happens with regards to these claims of Eastern "volunteer militias".

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Sanctions on John McCain!!1

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"Crimean Tatar squatters"

"Illegal immigrant Bengalis"

"Foreign Ethiopian oppressors"

etc, etc.

[Simfan34]

perhaps Putin wants to divide Ukraine into three parts.

I appreciate this post.

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Both in Kharkiv and in Odessa the pro-Russian crowds have been demonstrating at Polish consulates under the slogan: "Remember Katyn massacre". Beauty, isn't it? Almost as good as the Germans demonstrating near Israeli embassies in Prague and Warsaw chanting "remember Auschwitz" (in German)

And yes, I know what they the slogan-writers meant. But still...

I don't get the use of strikethroughs here.

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He's using it as a way of showing a hypothetical equivalent.

That I under stand, the usage of sttiketrouhjys Idont

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Afghanistan? Ah, we need to do something to them.

As for the gas, Congressional inaction strikes again. We should already be exporting gas to Ukraine, subsidised by seized Russian assets (which we've given them enough time to withdraw by now).

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Yanik the traitorous puppet is still a traitorous puppet.

But is he changing tune?

Yanukovych: Russian annexation of Crimea is "a tragedy"

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[Simfan34]

Jews in the Donetsk PR are being told to register and provide a list of all their property. Meanwhile WSJ's Paul Sonne reports from Putin's long presser that Putin said eastern Ukraine is historically part of Russia and made a lot of sympathetic noises about Yanukovych. Combined with the Russian media reports that Yanukovych will be back in Donetsk in 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised if Putin militarily installed his puppet atop a puppet East Ukraine.

I doubt this is actually happening.

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Jesus, why aren't there NATO forces in the Ukraine already?

[Simfan34]

Please, Peter, Afleich, would it be possible to give death points to Snowstalker when he's being a pro Russian sage, thanks. Maybe he will finally be muted.

I will now report every Snowstalker's posts when he will be disgusting with the Ukrainians.

What prompted this?

[Simfan34]

Ukrainians won't fight because they are a (relatively) well off country. It's not worth it to give up their comfortable existence to maybe die fighting the Russians.

Afghanistan, on the other hand, was a third world country. Even if a Mujaheddin died, he wasn't losing much.

Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe, they're GDP per capita is something abysmal, like around ~$5,200? This contrasts poorly with something around ~$14,000 in Russia and ~$28,000 in a "poorer" country like Portugal. Of course these aren't exact figures but I'm sure you get the point.

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Ag, what does it mean?

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6 death points for excessive hyperbole.

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No one is doubting your loyalties, ag. I believe this insurrection, aided by the "polite people", should be stopped at all costs.

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Insurrectionists can be expelled. In the Crimea, at least, it is not really their land, anyway.

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Insurrectionists can be expelled. In the Crimea, at least, it is not really their land, anyway.

I know. You would have, probably, supported replacing all Southerners with good law-abiding Yankees after the Civil War. There was still enough space in interior Brazil back then.

Do not be an idiot.

It is simply the way things have been done historically, why should it have been any different? I have agreed with you, no need to hyperbolic.

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I think there are a lot of places where they could resolve problems definitively. This might be one of them.

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I think there are a lot of places where they could resolve problems definitively. This might be one of them.

So you advocate ethnic cleansing?

There's no need for buzzwords, particularly when we're talking about a reactive solution rather than something unprovoked.

[Simfan34]

Perhaps in the Donbass it could be limited to active collaborators, but those in the Crimea who have declared themselves to be Russian should have their wishes respected and be treated accordingly if an when Ukraine establishes authority over the region. If you want to call that "ethnic cleansing", be my guest.