The Sage Garden

[IceSpear]

The neoliberal vultures are already descending upon poor Ukraine. Why is this not a surprise?

[free my dawg]

No, it's because of NAFTA, entering the WTO, PNTR for the PRC, the destruction of Yugoslavia, NATO expansion, killing welfare, the Brady Bill, DADT, and DOMA

I'll give you trade, welfare, and to a lesser extent DOMA (and our disagreements on gun control are more on the philosophical side), but how is NATO expansion "sociopathic"?

It's a global military outfit that robs US taxpayers to fund wars and subsidize weapons contractors.

[free my dawg]

Because the ruling elite doesn't want a middle class. Middle class is wealthy enough to be free from control from them.

It's why the Elite is using lots of money to convince people to destroy the welfare state. To dissolve middle class in order to return to their previous exclusive rule.

[IceSpear]

The final and complete American plutocracy, brought to you by Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush's appointed judges. Now it's just a matter of time before the American people realize what party is responsible for letting the rich ruin this country and do something about it.

Both parties are run by authoritarian neoliberal warmongers, regardless of their disagreements. I don't know you yet but I hope I can pull you a bit further left, comrade.

[IceSpear]

Choosing your preferred thug dictator while having no alternative to the capitalist slave system isn't "democracy".

[Oakvale]

All human systems are, at their core, ideological constructs. To reject the system, one must reject the ideology.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Context:

Religion

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

All human systems are, at their core, ideological constructs. To reject the system, one must reject the ideology.

...that doesn't even make sense.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Capitalism is on balance far more immoral than homophobia.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Capitalism is on balance far more immoral than homophobia.

Capitalism oppresses 99% of society, which is a much higher percentage than homophobia oppresses.

[King]

The king of right-wing sage

The United States is no longer a bejeweled hegemon, gazing upon a dollar-diplomacy empire.

Any "wisdom" from that era can be filed in the wastebasket, especially if it pertains to US entitlement spending.

[Hamster]

All human systems are, at their core, ideological constructs. To reject the system, one must reject the ideology.

...that doesn't even make sense.

Wikipedia is a good of a place to start as any:

en.wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Constructivist_epistemology

[free my dawg]

All human systems are, at their core, ideological constructs. To reject the system, one must reject the ideology.

...that doesn't even make sense.

Wikipedia is a good of a place to start as any:

en.wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Constructivist_epistemology

[Sol]

Capitalism is on balance far more immoral than homophobia.

Capitalism oppresses 99% of society, which is a much higher percentage than homophobia oppresses.

Homophobia and its assorted other prejudices are actually probably even more oppressive than Capitalism, regardless of the metric you use.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Capitalism is on balance far more immoral than homophobia.

Capitalism oppresses 99% of society, which is a much higher percentage than homophobia oppresses.

Homophobia and its assorted other prejudices are actually probably even more oppressive than Capitalism, regardless of the metric you use.

You called yourself a "socialist", no?

[RogueBeaver]

Will make a good caudillo in 2017. At least the illusion that America is a democracy can die entirely when he seizes power.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Posted here for lack of a 'Whig Historiography Millinery', because Whiggery is the sage of mainstream modernist thought.

The assumption that "progress" (apologies for my scare quotes) has a universally shared definition.

I would consider scientific progress (and therefore destruction of religion) a universally accepted progress. I mean, you can be a religious and SAY it's not, but it's the same as a religious pointing at a duck and saying "NO IT'S A COW!". 

It seems HockeyDude was at least in part just kidding around, but if we're going to make lack of seriousness a defense then that calls into question so many writings of our fearless leader himself that the Sage Garden loses much of its raison d'etre.

[H. Ross Peron]

Keyes, to prevent Barack Obama.

1932: "We must support the Nazis as that will ensure the Revolution will occur when they seize power whilst if the social fascists get elected, the proletariat shall be lulled into sleep"

[Sol]

Capitalism is on balance far more immoral than homophobia.

Capitalism oppresses 99% of society, which is a much higher percentage than homophobia oppresses.

Homophobia and its assorted other prejudices are actually probably even more oppressive than Capitalism, regardless of the metric you use.

You called yourself a "socialist", no?

There are oppressive things other than capitalism, o comrade.

[TNF]

Capitalism is on balance far more immoral than homophobia.

Capitalism oppresses 99% of society, which is a much higher percentage than homophobia oppresses.

Homophobia and its assorted other prejudices are actually probably even more oppressive than Capitalism, regardless of the metric you use.

You called yourself a "socialist", no?

There are oppressive things other than capitalism, o comrade.

Obviously, but to argue that capitalism is in fact less oppressive than homophobia is just as off base as arguing that capitalism is more oppressive than homophobia. Both are forms of unjust domination that are equally worthy of destruction.

[IceSpear]

With Snowstalker on hiatus, this once flourishing garden will soon wither away.

[TNF]

With Snowstalker on hiatus, this once flourishing garden will soon wither away.

Good riddance. This thread largely serves as a means by which liberals and assorted 'lefties' attack actual lefties and people who dare to have an ideological preference or consistency beyond 'muh Democrats'

[TNF]

With Snowstalker on hiatus, this once flourishing garden will soon wither away.

Good riddance. This thread largely serves as a means by which liberals and assorted 'lefties' attack actual lefties and people who dare to have an ideological preference or consistency beyond 'muh Democrats'

Well, at least you posted directly into the garden this time. TNF, you seem to be trying to fill the Snowstalker void yourself.

I have no qualms about my posts being posted here, given that this thread seems to be little more than a liberal circlejerk self-congratulating itself on how 'reasonable' they are compared to us unwashed lefties, who actually believe in something other than 'muh barack obama' and 'muh hillary clinton'. You seem to be attempting to try and make yourself into something other than a generic red avatar sh**tposter, and doing a fairly awful job at it, if I may say so. I'd recommend just not posting altogether, given that it would literally have the same affect on this forum as the rest of your 'contributions' here.

[Oakvale]

Guntaker, calling TNF sage is ridiculous and misses the point entirely. Someone who has actually studied and sincerely believes in Marxist principles as opposed to simply regurgitating something they found on Wikipedia is not a sage scholar. It's unfortunate that this thread has been misappropriated in such a manner.

[IceSpear]

With Snowstalker on hiatus, this once flourishing garden will soon wither away.

Good riddance. This thread largely serves as a means by which liberals and assorted 'lefties' attack actual lefties and people who dare to have an ideological preference or consistency beyond 'muh Democrats'

Are you implying anyone who is a Democrat or Republican has no ideology?