The Sage Garden

[Antonio the Sixth]

Authoritarian corporatist war criminal thug.

[Antonio the Sixth]

More proto-sage.

People like some Atlas liberals are part of the reason why we've been losing the South. Look at Arkansas; they still have New Deal infrastructure in place and are solidly Democratic at a local and state level. Though some of the blame lies on some Blue Dogs being crybabies, some of it does lie on the rise of the DLC and the Democratic Party's abandonment of its history from 1832 to 1980 as the party of the working man to instead be the party of yuppies and women.

At least he didn't say "uteruses" back then.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Cathcon can be an arrogant prick sometimes. Sure, he's no Snowstalker, but that's not a reason to make him immune of any criticism.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Cathcon can be an arrogant prick sometimes. Sure, he's no Snowstalker, but that's not a reason to make him immune of any criticism.

The only way I can see someone thinking this is if you assume Cathcon isn't intentionally being hyperbolic 99% of the time.

I'd say constant intentional hyperbole is a form of arrogance. Obviously, it's something we're all guilty of, but it can be a great thing or a horrible thing depending on how often you do it, the way you do it, and the topics in regard to which you do it. Cathcon's just rubs me the wrong way sometimes, though I'll admit it's entirely subjective.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Cathcon can be an arrogant prick sometimes. Sure, he's no Snowstalker, but that's not a reason to make him immune of any criticism.

The only way I can see someone thinking this is if you assume Cathcon isn't intentionally being hyperbolic 99% of the time.

I'd say constant intentional hyperbole is a form of arrogance. Obviously, it's something we're all guilty of, but it can be a great thing or a horrible thing depending on how often you do it, the way you do it, and the topics in regard to which you do it. Cathcon's just rubs me the wrong way sometimes, though I'll admit it's entirely subjective.

Who doesn't rub you the wrong way, Antonio?  You're literally in a constant state of unjustified outrage to the point that it has clouded your judgment and led to the criticism of one of the friendliest, most humble posters on the Atlas.

You couldn't be more wrong about his intentional hyperbole.  It actually comes from a sense of humility and self-deprecation... something you don't seem to know much about due to your own misguided arrogance.  The fact that you must criticize literally anyone and everyone on the forum is definitely a form of arrogance, and that rubs me the wrong way.

Wow. I've been accused of many things on this forum (often rightfully so), but never before of being overly critical. Actually, I regularly state my disagreements with Oakvale, Hash and other friends because I find their view of the forum too cynical!

That said, I understand why you would say that. I easily admit you're one of the few people I tend to dislike more than does the general forum consensus. But anyway, I'm used to your childish temper tantrums, so forgive me if I don't make too much of your post.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Whoa! Criticize me all you want. I'm a forum Republican, it's your job to do so. But going after Snowguy? Snowguy!?

I know, he seems to be untouchable on this forum, despite repeatedly being an ass to people for no reason.

[Antonio the Sixth]

My "criticism of Cathcon" was merely in the context of the discussion over whether his posts could be put in this thread (my position being that some of his posts definitely could, though not really the one that sparked the discussion). I don't really mind him overall, I think he's a fine poster.

But fortunately Snowguy the Brave Defender of Oppressed Posters has stepped in, to right this terrible wrong and punish my arrogance.

[Antonio the Sixth]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=187710.0

The Ultimate Sage Thread?

[Antonio the Sixth]

The Sage is strong in this one:

The global elite that controls and profits off both Obama and Putin wants a war and they will get one. Perhaps not over Ukraine or Syria, but they will get one in the future.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nah, this one isn't sage. These terms actually make perfect sense in context.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nah, this one isn't sage. These terms actually make perfect sense in context.

Those terms are sage red-flags and have been since the infancy of adopting the word. It makes no difference whether it makes sense or not...

I don't think any term is inherently sage, unless it's really some pompous and obscure word nobody actually ever uses. The general phrasing and the issue addressed should be taken into account.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nah, this one isn't sage. These terms actually make perfect sense in context.

Those terms are sage red-flags and have been since the infancy of adopting the word. It makes no difference whether it makes sense or not...

I don't think any term is inherently sage, unless it's really some pompous and obscure word nobody actually ever uses. The general phrasing and the issue addressed should be taken into account.

Actual humans don't sincerely use the terms "neoliberalism" and "corporatist oligarchy" unless trying to appear wise or philosophical therefore sage by definition. Agreeing with it doesn't make it any less so. Hell, I somewhat agree with the post itself.

Sorry, but no. Neoliberalism is a widely acknowledged ideology, which it makes perfect sense to talk about and actually can hardly not be mentioned when discussing certain topics. If using the word "neoliberalism" is sage, then it's the word sage that is completely meaningless.

I sort of understand the issue with "corporatist oligarchy", and I'd also probably have used a different term, but I don't think that's enough to make this post belong in here.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Of course, it's very easy to use the term neoliberal in a sage way (since Snowstalker does it all the time). But that doesn't make the term itself sage.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I just think there's little point in using a word if it encompasses Snowstalker's worst rants alongside with posts that are relevant, factually correct and not pompous. This focus on a word as being "sage" is pretty misleading IMO. If I get it right, the word neoliberalism was banned from IRC because of Snowstalker's abuse of it, not because it was a word that should never be used - indeed, the words "socialism" and "fascism" were banned too, does that mean anyone who every uses them is being sage?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I've always assumed "sage" was used to describe a writing style that associated ridiculously overblown pseudo-intellectual affectations with a vacuity of actual substance, not (as I guess you mean it) the use of hyperboles and/or of too serious-sounding words. But anyway, you guys coined the term so you get the final say.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Guntaker, calling TNF sage is ridiculous and misses the point entirely. Someone who has actually studied and sincerely believes in Marxist principles as opposed to simply regurgitating something they found on Wikipedia is not a sage scholar. It's unfortunate that this thread has been misappropriated in such a manner.

I'm not totally aware of the definition of "sage," or who exactly qualifies as sagacious.  But, as far as I can tell, TNF doesn't really have much of an intellectual foundation or an analytical mind.  He just sort of parrots slogans.  I would actually be surprised if he had studied Marxism at an academic or broad-based level.  I actually respect people who try out different perspectives on politics more than people who adopt a fixed, totalistic ideology and shout people down with slogans like a Maoist fanatic. 

This is hilarious, given that you subscribe to the fixed, totalistic ideologies of American hegemony, Zionism, and liberalism.

Now, this most definitely qualifies as sage.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Sage is like pornography, guys. You know it when you see it.

Well, I saw it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Guntaker, calling TNF sage is ridiculous and misses the point entirely. Someone who has actually studied and sincerely believes in Marxist principles as opposed to simply regurgitating something they found on Wikipedia is not a sage scholar. It's unfortunate that this thread has been misappropriated in such a manner.

I'm not totally aware of the definition of "sage," or who exactly qualifies as sagacious.  But, as far as I can tell, TNF doesn't really have much of an intellectual foundation or an analytical mind.  He just sort of parrots slogans.  I would actually be surprised if he had studied Marxism at an academic or broad-based level.  I actually respect people who try out different perspectives on politics more than people who adopt a fixed, totalistic ideology and shout people down with slogans like a Maoist fanatic. 

This is hilarious, given that you subscribe to the fixed, totalistic ideologies of American hegemony, Zionism, and liberalism.

Now, this most definitely qualifies as sage.

Thank you for your valuable contribution to this thread.

When was this thread ever supposed to attract valuable contributions?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Bernie is a total brObot.  He was fine with Obama's peace drones and Wall Street bro-dom, stern words aside (i didn't get the memo where he challenged Obama for the nomination or ran as an Indy).  But when Hillary runs, it's unacceptable.  Bros b4 hoes!

He has missed an opportunity to talk about "br0ne warfare".

haha

[Antonio the Sixth]

Are people here arguing that circumcision is a Christian practice? Because as far as I know, the US are the only place in the world where Christians actually do it. No idea why, but if someone is circumcised here everybody assumes he's Jewish or Muslim.

As to the main point of the discussion, I actually have to agree with Joe on the main point, though I'd like if he'd put it in less condescending terms. Even a benign mutilation is still a pretty serious personal violation, and should require a compelling motivation. Religion should be left some leeway of course, but not at the expense of basic individual rights.

Memphis and Einzige say a lot of crap as usual.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I actually have to agree with Joe on the main point, though I'd like if he'd put it in less condescending terms.

Oh come on.  It was Nathan's typically condescending tone that inspired me to call him out for it.  It's incredible how people here constantly praise him for it.

As far as I've seen, Nathan was only being condescending to posters like Einzige and Memphis, who fully deserve to be "condescended". Especially when they make the outlandish claim that circumcision has anything to do with Christianity.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Actually, it kinda is related...  Why else would the US once again be bucking the trend of the rest of the civilized world?

But no, Antonio, I quickly got Nathan's holier-than-thou treatment as well as soon as I called him out.  But hey, at least it was better than that other guy who keeps posting that picture of the fat guy wearing a hat whenever someone states an opinion that religion is weird and annoying.

Your first post in this thread was calling Nathan's argument "literally disgusting". I agree with you that it's wrongheaded, but come on, circumcision is nothing worth getting so outraged about.

[Antonio the Sixth]

For the record, I'm not really arguing that this topic is worth legislating about. I understand that would do more harm than good in the current context. You know as well as I do that legislation can't always achieve what we would like it to.

However, I find it frankly strange that you seem to argue that opposition to circumcision to be immoral. If anything, I would argue that removing a part of a newborn's body without a medical reason (yes, I know there are sometimes medical grounds for circumcision, and I obviously have no problem with them, as I have no problem is it's an adult who makes the choice) is the immoral thing. Which again, doesn't mean it should be banned.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh, I hadn't realized that was a single sentence. Yup, that's a pretty long one. Still agree with the point though.