SENATE BILL: Let the People Decide Amendment (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[President Tyrion]

Would this be subject to the normal 60% referendum rules?

[tmthforu94]

I am perfectly content with the status quo on referendums.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

A voice from the galley urges the Senate to defeat this amendment.

[TNF]

Would this be subject to the normal 60% referendum rules?

I assumed as much, but perhaps that should be clarified with an amendment.

This bill will allow the people to vote in a law if the Senate cannot. I think this is a worthwhile addition to our Constitution in order to empower the people to govern in their own interest.

[Napoleon]

A voice from the galley urges the Senate to defeat this amendment.

Amen. I don't think this would have helped pass clone reform, so it's pretty much useless.

[TNF]

A voice from the galley urges the Senate to defeat this amendment.

Amen. I don't think this would have helped pass clone reform, so it's pretty much useless.

Didn't you resign?

[Napoleon]

A voice from the galley urges the Senate to defeat this amendment.

Amen. I don't think this would have helped pass clone reform, so it's pretty much useless.

Didn't you resign?

I believe I did.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A desire has been stated by some to make certain reforms with an eye towards increasing interest in Senate elections. Leaving the question particular of those and their merits aside, in general terms would this not work against that stated desire?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Minimum debate time is over. Is a final vote desired?


Also, I would like a response to my question if practical.

[TNF]

A desire has been stated by some to make certain reforms with an eye towards increasing interest in Senate elections. Leaving the question particular of those and their merits aside, in general terms would this not work against that stated desire?

I don't think it would make Senate elections less interesting, rather this amendment would give the voters a chance to approve legislation that the Senate rejects. Had this amendment been in place, we wouldn't be waiting around for regional reform to come up through the queue a second time.

[bore]

A desire has been stated by some to make certain reforms with an eye towards increasing interest in Senate elections. Leaving the question particular of those and their merits aside, in general terms would this not work against that stated desire?

I don't think it would make Senate elections less interesting, rather this amendment would give the voters a chance to approve legislation that the Senate rejects. Had this amendment been in place, we wouldn't be waiting around for regional reform to come up through the queue a second time.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this amendment doesn't seem to allow people to vote on amendments like the fix the regions one, only on bills.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A desire has been stated by some to make certain reforms with an eye towards increasing interest in Senate elections. Leaving the question particular of those and their merits aside, in general terms would this not work against that stated desire?

I don't think it would make Senate elections less interesting, rather this amendment would give the voters a chance to approve legislation that the Senate rejects. Had this amendment been in place, we wouldn't be waiting around for regional reform to come up through the queue a second time.

We are not waiting for it to come up a second time. As long as the slot it was in is still free, Duke can tell Matt to bring it up at any time once it was introduced again. I beleive he is waiting for exams to be over so that he can take a more "direct" approach with it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A desire has been stated by some to make certain reforms with an eye towards increasing interest in Senate elections. Leaving the question particular of those and their merits aside, in general terms would this not work against that stated desire?

I don't think it would make Senate elections less interesting, rather this amendment would give the voters a chance to approve legislation that the Senate rejects. Had this amendment been in place, we wouldn't be waiting around for regional reform to come up through the queue a second time.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this amendment doesn't seem to allow people to vote on amendments like the fix the regions one, only on bills.

That is correct from my reading of the text since it doesn't touch the appropriate article for such at all.

[TNF]

A desire has been stated by some to make certain reforms with an eye towards increasing interest in Senate elections. Leaving the question particular of those and their merits aside, in general terms would this not work against that stated desire?

I don't think it would make Senate elections less interesting, rather this amendment would give the voters a chance to approve legislation that the Senate rejects. Had this amendment been in place, we wouldn't be waiting around for regional reform to come up through the queue a second time.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this amendment doesn't seem to allow people to vote on amendments like the fix the regions one, only on bills.

That is correct from my reading of the text since it doesn't touch the appropriate article for such at all.

I am inclined to propose an amendment allowing that, then. I'll get around to that sometime this afternoon or tonight.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So ah, the amendment?

[bore]

Wouldn't such an amendment then basically make it so 1/3rd of all senators could get an amendment past the senate?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I wil lgive until tomorrow morning.


I will of course oppose any attempt to alter the Article in question in a way that would reduce the standard for passing amendments when it comes to the Senate side of the equation.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

hmmm


I think five days is more than generous.


Senators, the underlying Amendment is now at vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[PPT Spiral]

Nay

[Maxwell]

Nay

[President Tyrion]

Nay

I don't think this would work in practice.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

I cannot call it one way or the other until at least five have voted.

[TNF]

Aye