SENATE BILL: Employer Non-Interference Act of 2013 (Redraft Signed)
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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2013, 06:59:44 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2013, 07:01:38 AM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

Summer Camp Counselors maybe, but wouldn't unionizing the CIA be problematic? I mean, it is kind of hard to hold a vote on unionizing when your embedded in Iran, without blowing the agent's cover.
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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2013, 10:34:54 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2013, 02:19:11 AM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

Summer Camp Counselors maybe, but wouldn't unionizing the CIA be problematic? I mean, it is kind of hard to hold a vote on unionizing when your embedded in Iran, without blowing the agent's cover.

Well, you're neither required to join a union nor vote to join one. Agents embedded in Iran or anywhere comprise a very small portion of the CIA's assets. Those who are ready and willing to join a union certainly should be able to do so.
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2013, 11:39:05 AM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

Summer Camp Counselors maybe, but wouldn't unionizing the CIA be problematic? I mean, it is kind of hard to hold a vote on unionizing when your embedded in Iran, without blowing the agent's cover.

Well, you're neither required to join a union nor vote to join one. Agents embedded in Iran or anywhere comprise a very small portion of the CIA's assets. Those who are ready and willing to join a union certainly should be able to do so.

I am on the whole somewhat of a private sector unions only type guy precisely because when you get into situations like this it isn't the corporate big wig's fat bank account you are striking against but the children, national security etc etc. At the same time I do want some means of protecting these people who provide so valuable a service to the country.

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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2013, 12:01:19 AM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

Summer Camp Counselors maybe, but wouldn't unionizing the CIA be problematic? I mean, it is kind of hard to hold a vote on unionizing when your embedded in Iran, without blowing the agent's cover.

Well, you're neither required to join a union nor vote to join one. Agents embedded in Iran or anywhere comprise a very small portion of the CIA's assets. Those who are ready and willing to join a union certainly should be able to do so.

I am on the whole somewhat of a private sector unions only type guy precisely because when you get into situations like this it isn't the corporate big wig's fat bank account you are striking against but the children, national security etc etc. At the same time I do want some means of protecting these people who provide so valuable a service to the country.



Well, a union's only function isn't to strike. I understand that unions in the public sector tend to have more leverage (the BART strike is a good example), but a union's first and foremost goal is to facilitate collective bargaining, and that's not necessarily the path to a strike, unless there's a huge gap in negotiation.
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« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2013, 10:42:36 PM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

My point is that there are some workplaces of a sensitive nature (ex. caring for children, dealing with classified material) that have understandable restrictions on who is allowed to hang about.
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« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2013, 11:20:45 PM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

My point is that there are some workplaces of a sensitive nature (ex. caring for children, dealing with classified material) that have understandable restrictions on who is allowed to hang about.

How does this change that?
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« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2013, 12:23:24 PM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

My point is that there are some workplaces of a sensitive nature (ex. caring for children, dealing with classified material) that have understandable restrictions on who is allowed to hang about.

How does this change that?

1c. "full and total access"
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« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2013, 03:15:22 PM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

My point is that there are some workplaces of a sensitive nature (ex. caring for children, dealing with classified material) that have understandable restrictions on who is allowed to hang about.

How does this change that?

1c. "full and total access"

The bosses already have full and total access; so should union organizers. I fail to see the problem.
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« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2013, 03:32:37 PM »

Well if the boss is Chief of Intelligence Operations - Afghanistan Divsion, Centcom. One would hope they have security clearence.
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« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2013, 12:57:46 AM »

So you're going to have union representatives wandering around summer camps and CIA HQ?

Are summer camp counselors and CIA agents not allowed to unionize?

My point is that there are some workplaces of a sensitive nature (ex. caring for children, dealing with classified material) that have understandable restrictions on who is allowed to hang about.

How does this change that?

1c. "full and total access"

Hm, I see. Ok, how about this amendment? I made up some form names.

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« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2013, 02:52:43 PM »

I would consider sending this back for a redraft with some of the changes Tyrion has proposed. I don't think giving them unfettered access at all times regardless of the circumstances is can fly though. Businesses need autonomy over their affairs, but I am okay with unions being allowed to organize as long as employees have the choice to do so and are not forced into doing it. Choice is key, guys. See a pattern with me?
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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2013, 03:12:15 PM »
« Edited: December 28, 2013, 07:34:02 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Final vote on the Employer Non-Interference Act of 2013:

Aye (4): bore, Gass3268, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (4): Maxwell, NC Yankee, Spiral and Tmthforu94
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):
Vacant Seats (2): Napoleon and Xahar

With time having expired and the vote tied 4-4, a tiebreaker is thus needed from the Vice President.
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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2013, 09:56:39 PM »

Final vote on the Employer Non-Interference Act of 2013:

Aye (4): bore, Gass3268, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (4): Maxwell, NC Yankee, Spiral and TyriontheImperialist
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):
Vacant Seats (2): Napoleon and Xahar

With time having expired and the vote tied 4-4, a tiebreaker is thus needed from the Vice President.

I didn't know a Senator could vote both for and against something .. ?
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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2013, 11:59:40 PM »

Final vote on the Employer Non-Interference Act of 2013:

Aye (4): bore, Gass3268, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (4): Maxwell, NC Yankee, Spiral and TyriontheImperialist
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):
Vacant Seats (2): Napoleon and Xahar

With time having expired and the vote tied 4-4, a tiebreaker is thus needed from the Vice President.

I didn't know a Senator could vote both for and against something .. ?

I think it's tmth's Nay vote which should be in place of mine, but the net result is the same.
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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2013, 07:33:36 AM »

So many Ts, I get them mixed up. Tongue
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« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2014, 06:58:08 PM »
« Edited: January 01, 2014, 07:03:03 PM by VP Matt »

AYE

Pending a redraft of course.
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« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2014, 06:59:54 PM »


Even with the possibility of a redraft from Duke?
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« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2014, 07:03:32 PM »

Fixed it, I want the redraft, I got mixed up on which way to vote for it. Tongue
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« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2014, 07:12:47 PM »

Make up you god damn mind Matt. Tongue Now I have to correct the noticeboard.


The bill has passed the Senate and has been presented to the President for executive action.
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« Reply #46 on: January 01, 2014, 07:13:46 PM »

Time for a redraft. I'll get to work on it.
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« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2014, 06:31:24 PM »

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A few things here:

I am okay and believe in the right for unions to organize. They should be free to hold campaign drives as long as it does not interfere with the things mentioned in the redraft. Employers cannot regulate employees to who they talk to off the clock and punish them for that as long as it is not causing a danger in the work place, nor should they be allowed to hire people to intimate employees. I agree there.

Second, union organizers should NOT have free access to businesses any time of the day to the point where they begin to interfere with day to day operations though. There needs to be restrictions because businesses are independent entities and not subject to the whims of unions who are, after all, businesses in their own right that look out for their own interests. We have to respect the boundaries of private enterprise along with allowing the employees to have choices on whether to unionize or remain unaffiliated. A monopoly on either is good for no one.

Third, it should be the unions' job to make themselves known to employees, not the employers having to advertise for the unions. That is not their job. Employees who wish to unionize may do so, but it is the union's responsibility to get their name out there and help the employees organize, which they are more than capable of doing and have done for years and years. It is not the job of the federal government to tell businesses that they must advertise for the unions or give employees handbooks/posters to tell them how to unionize. We are forcing them to favor the unions over themselves. Both sides have their interests - that's what is so interesting about "collective bargaining." It's a bargain! We must keep that balance.
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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2014, 06:37:56 PM »

I am inclined to support the President's redraft.
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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2014, 08:11:23 PM »

TNF, I believe the choices are to motion for a vote on the redraft or to withdraw the bill. What do you prefer?
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