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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2013, 11:09:51 PM »

actually I'll go no on balance since the idea of using the constitution to prohibit the normal person from doing something offends me.
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2013, 11:39:42 PM »

I support an amdt. to the constitution that bans the sale & ownership of people.  That is the only amdt. banning sale & ownership of anything that I would support.  and we already have one.
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« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2013, 05:43:14 AM »

I'd find it a bit extreme, but BY FAR preferable to the status quo.
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« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2013, 05:47:42 AM »

I'd find it a bit extreme, but BY FAR preferable to the status quo.

Pretty much.
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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2013, 06:07:25 AM »

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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2013, 06:31:21 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2013, 07:41:54 AM »





Handguns?  Are you f[inks]ing kidding me?


That's actually a more stupid idea than the 18th amendment.
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2013, 10:47:53 AM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)
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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2013, 11:34:32 AM »

I would prefer a clean repeal of the Second Amendment.

This would obviously be a much better idea. Just make it subject to statue law like anything else.
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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2013, 11:43:41 AM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)

Can you grow a handgun?
Growing weed is easier, for sure, but any machinist worth his salt can make a handgun.  A crappy, dangerous (to the user) handgun, but a handgun none-the-less.

But most illegal weed (AFAIK) is imported not grown in a basement, so it's not a great comparison anyway.
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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2013, 12:39:30 PM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)

Can you grow a handgun?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberator_(gun)

Yes.
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2013, 12:47:28 PM »

Certainly not.
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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2013, 12:52:07 PM »

Obviously.

edit: ITT - MURICA.
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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2013, 06:59:56 PM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)

     For that matter, consider how well Prohibition worked out. History does not bear out an argument that banning handguns would be successful.
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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2013, 07:06:24 PM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)

     For that matter, consider how well Prohibition worked out. History does not bear out an argument that banning handguns would be successful.

US firearm deaths per 100,000: 10.3
UK firearm deaths per 100,000: .25
Italy firearm deaths per 100,000: 1.28
Canada firearm deaths per 100,000: 2.38

Other industrialized nations regulate firearms far more stringently and they have far less gun violence.  We have a long way to go culturally and in terms of urban violence, but it's not surprising that regulation actually works when implemented in a smart way.
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« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2013, 07:13:29 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2013, 07:23:44 PM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)

     For that matter, consider how well Prohibition worked out. History does not bear out an argument that banning handguns would be successful.

US firearm deaths per 100,000: 10.3
UK firearm deaths per 100,000: .25
Italy firearm deaths per 100,000: 1.28
Canada firearm deaths per 100,000: 2.38

Other industrialized nations regulate firearms far more stringently and they have far less gun violence.  We have a long way to go culturally and in terms of urban violence, but it's not surprising that regulation actually works when implemented in a smart way.

     Key term is "culturally". Or to consider along the lines of what I was talking about before, banning alcohol was an unmitigated disaster while banning lots of other drugs fared better. Firearms restrictions would probably have some effect, but cross-national comparisons are inane when the countries being compared are so different in regards to gun culture.
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« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2013, 07:32:23 PM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)

     For that matter, consider how well Prohibition worked out. History does not bear out an argument that banning handguns would be successful.

US firearm deaths per 100,000: 10.3
UK firearm deaths per 100,000: .25
Italy firearm deaths per 100,000: 1.28
Canada firearm deaths per 100,000: 2.38

Other industrialized nations regulate firearms far more stringently and they have far less gun violence.  We have a long way to go culturally and in terms of urban violence, but it's not surprising that regulation actually works when implemented in a smart way.

     Key term is "culturally". Or to consider along the lines of what I was talking about before, banning alcohol was an unmitigated disaster while banning lots of other drugs fared better. Firearms restrictions would probably have some effect, but cross-national comparisons are inane when the countries being compared are so different in regards to gun culture.

Comparing one nation to another is inane, but comparing a weapon to a beverage makes sense?
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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2013, 10:29:02 PM »

That has got to be one of the most retarded proposals I have read on this forum.
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2013, 03:43:09 PM »

No (sane).
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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2013, 03:49:52 PM »

Of course I do.
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« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2013, 03:54:32 PM »

That has got to be one of the most retarded proposals I have read on this forum.

Don't worry, I'm sure more will crop up shortly.
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« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2013, 04:02:55 PM »

LOL @ the outrage, and ROLF @ the left-wing outrage. Oh no, banning guns, so terrible. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2013, 04:31:31 PM »

LOL @ the outrage, and ROLF @ the left-wing outrage. Oh no, banning guns, so terrible. Roll Eyes

It's a cultural thing. I don't really understand it either.
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« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2013, 04:33:31 PM »
« Edited: December 12, 2013, 04:35:56 PM by TheDeadFlagBlues »

LOL @ the outrage, and ROLF @ the left-wing outrage. Oh no, banning guns, so terrible. Roll Eyes

It's a cultural thing. I don't really understand it either.

I'm from rural America and don't understand it. It's fun to shoot a gun but if you're concerned about constructing responsible public policy, it's quite clear that gun ownership is a terrible vice and a not a virtue. It's amazing to me that a few pulls of the trigger is sufficient to cloud people's judgement on this issue...

I understand liberals being aghast at this proposal but leftists? What is wrong with you people, we're supposed to believe that the idea of "negative liberties" grounded in 18th century classical liberal thought are nonsense...
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