NE2: Northeast Environment Act

[Talleyrand]

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Sponsor: Representative Earthling

Representative, you have twenty-four hours to advocate for this bill. Total debate time will last seventy-two hours.

[Cincinnatus]

A few things;

(1) It would be interesting to designate some parks now, in this bill.  Or, we could draft a proposal/list of possible state parks and add them to this legislation at another point.

(2)  Why an arbitrary 250 employees?  Shouldn't we allocate set funds now, and allow for the service to determine the required workforce, be it more or less.

[sentinel]

For Reference:

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Northeast_Parks_and_Recreation_Act

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[Earthling]

The previous act only talks about state parks, not regional parks.
This new law will also establish a Regional Parks Service to manage the parks.

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1. It could be done within this law. But we should start to find and create those parks.

2. The 250 employees is a start, to set up the Regional Park Service and start creating the parks.

[sentinel]

Bump. Debate people...

[Goldwater]

How much will this cost?

[Earthling]

How much will this cost?

At the start this bill will not cost that much. Of course, once park are being established the costs will rise. But we could amend the bill and require all people to pay for park entrance.

[sentinel]

How much will this cost?

At the start this bill will not cost that much. Of course, once park are being established the costs will rise. But we could amend the bill and require all people to pay for park entrance.

That was Goldwater's way of asking you to get a GM analysis.

[Earthling]

If Goldwater wants that he can ask for one. I just gave my opinion about it.

[sentinel]

If Goldwater wants that he can ask for one. I just gave my opinion about it.

If I know Goldwater's positions well enough,I'd say if you want Goldwater's vote you're going to have to either 1) Get an analysis or 2) Set an amount to be spent on this bill. (If you want my signature, I'd like at least one or the other to happen as well, I have a feeling other members of the Assemby would like some more concrete numbers...I personally like Cincinnatus' idea...)


EDIT: This is no ones fault, but we also don't have a budget analysis yet which doesn't help (waiting for GM).

[Earthling]

I doubt it will cost billions.

For now, it only creates 250 new jobs and a new building to house these employees. So we are talking millions. Costs will rise once we are creating the Regional Parks and start hiring new people to man those Parks. But the costs can be reduced by asking people to pay for entrance to the Parks.

[Goldwater]

Yes, I am aware that, in the grand scheme of things, the costs of this bill will relatively small. However, I would still like concrete numbers, either from GM estimates or a specific amount set in the  bill, before I vote in favor of it.

Also, the reason I didn't just get estimates from the GM myself is because I typicality consider it the responsibility of the bill's sponsor to find out the costs of his bill, again either by getting estimates from the GM or by setting aside a specific amount of money in the bill itself.

[Earthling]

Yes, I am aware that, in the grand scheme of things, the costs of this bill will relatively small. However, I would still like concrete numbers, either from GM estimates or a specific amount set in the  bill, before I vote in favor of it.

Also, the reason I didn't just get estimates from the GM myself is because I typicality consider it the responsibility of the bill's sponsor to find out the costs of his bill, again either by getting estimates from the GM or by setting aside a specific amount of money in the bill itself.

I understand that, so I will ask the GM for a estimation.

Personally, I think it won't cost more than about 150 to 200 million dollars. And that is at the top of my estimation. But the GM might come up with different numbers.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

So what exactly is the deal with the state parks/regional parks divide? Did we make all the state parks regional parks in '04? Also, did we not already have a Park Service to manage our parks? And why 250 employees?

[Earthling]

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[PJ]

How much will this cost?

At the start this bill will not cost that much. Of course, once park are being established the costs will rise. But we could amend the bill and require all people to pay for park entrance.

Sorry to intrude, but as the sponsor of a similar bill in the Pacific, I must point out that these fines will discourage park attendance, especially for those with low income.

[Talleyrand]

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Upon written request from myself, I am extending debate time to 168 hours (7 days).

[Earthling]

How much will this cost?

At the start this bill will not cost that much. Of course, once park are being established the costs will rise. But we could amend the bill and require all people to pay for park entrance.

Sorry to intrude, but as the sponsor of a similar bill in the Pacific, I must point out that these fines will discourage park attendance, especially for those with low income.

Too many people in a Park might endangered it. So less people coming to a Park is not such a bad thing. And the Government can create a program to get poor people access to a Park from time to time.

[sentinel]

Talley...7 days....

[Talleyrand]

Talley...7 days....

Only 2 more days.

Here are some state parks we could potentially designate under this bill-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls_State_Park
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel%27s_Hump

In addition, I would rather us allocate a lump sum of money than designate a specific number of employees. That's way too restrictive for my taste.

[sentinel]

My amendment to this bill:
[quote]
Preserving the Beauty of the Northeast Act
1.  Hereby, the Department of Agriculture and the Interior is instructed to create and implement a plan to create and expand regional parks including a Northeast regional park service.
2. The Department of Agriculture and the Interior shall have the power to deem Northeast lands regional parks with the permission of the Assembly and input from local municipalities.
3. The Department of Agriculture and the Interior, specifically the new Northeast regional park service, is mandated with maintaining regional parks including management, safety and quality.
4. The Assembly designates $25 million to be used to implement this bill out of the FY2013 Nov-February budget.

[Earthling]

I can life with the amendment. But do we have a leadership within these departments. We don't have any cabinet secretaries there.

[sentinel]

I can life with the amendment. But do we have a leadership within these departments. We don't have any cabinet secretaries there.

The game doesn't simulate those levels of government, unless I appoint someone etc.

[sentinel]

FYI GM Averroes said this would cost $25 million. I put that as the number.

[Talleyrand]

FYI GM Averroes said this would cost $25 million. I put that as the number.

I think we can allocate more to this department; I think maintaining all the state parks would easily exceed $25 million, and we have a huge surplus.