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« on: March 14, 2005, 02:05:10 PM »

-communist insigna
-Nazi insigna
-KKK insigna
-swearing
-beer logos
-confederate flags
-crosses and other religious symbols
-Bible verses
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2005, 02:05:51 PM »

I say:

-communist insigna - yes
-Nazi insigna - no
-KKK insigna - no
-swearing - yes
-beer logos - yes
-confederate flags - no
-crosses and other religious symbols - yes
-Bible verses - yes
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2005, 02:06:37 PM »

-communist insigna
-Nazi insigna
-KKK insigna
-swearing
-beer logos
-confederate flags
-crosses and other religious symbols
-Bible verses

-communist insigna - Yes
-Nazi insigna - No
-KKK insigna - No
-swearing - Not less than high school
-beer logos - Yes
-confederate flags - "Wouldn't matter in some areas"
-crosses and other religious symbols - Yes
-Bible verses - Yes
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2005, 04:33:30 PM »

-communist insigna
-Nazi insigna
-KKK insigna
-swearing
-beer logos
-confederate flags
-crosses and other religious symbols
-Bible verses

Seperate these into three categories:

1st Category-Banned no matter

Swearing
Beer logos

2nd category-Allowed no matter

Religious themes
Bible verses (or your religions equivalent)

3rd Category-all are banned, or all are allowed, I'd lead towards banning them all

KKK insignia
Nazi insignia
Communist insignia
Confederate insignia
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2005, 04:35:49 PM »

-communist insigna
-Nazi insigna
-KKK insigna
-swearing
-beer logos
-confederate flags
-crosses and other religious symbols
-Bible verses

Seperate these into three categories:

1st Category-Banned no matter

Swearing
Beer logos

2nd category-Allowed no matter

Religious themes
Bible verses (or your religions equivalent)

3rd Category-all are banned, or all are allowed, I'd lead towards banning them all

KKK insignia
Nazi insignia
Communist insignia
Confederate insignia

So banning beer takes priority over banning swastikas.

OK.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2005, 04:41:39 PM »

-communist insigna
-Nazi insigna
-KKK insigna
-swearing
-beer logos
-confederate flags
-crosses and other religious symbols
-Bible verses

Seperate these into three categories:

1st Category-Banned no matter

Swearing
Beer logos

2nd category-Allowed no matter

Religious themes
Bible verses (or your religions equivalent)

3rd Category-all are banned, or all are allowed, I'd lead towards banning them all

KKK insignia
Nazi insignia
Communist insignia
Confederate insignia

So banning beer takes priority over banning swastikas.

OK.

No, Categories 1 and 3 should be banned. Simple as that, but don't be a hypocrite like BRTD and only ban the things you disagree with.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2005, 05:11:28 PM »

I'm not. I generally agree with you. But still, your system would suggest putting a ban on beer logos over a ban on swastikas. That's just ridiculous.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2005, 05:26:44 PM »

-communist insigna
-Nazi insigna
-KKK insigna
-swearing
-beer logos
-confederate flags
-crosses and other religious symbols
-Bible verses

Seperate these into three categories:

1st Category-Banned no matter

Swearing
Beer logos

2nd category-Allowed no matter

Religious themes
Bible verses (or your religions equivalent)

3rd Category-all are banned, or all are allowed, I'd lead towards banning them all

KKK insignia
Nazi insignia
Communist insignia
Confederate insignia

From the Constitution of the State of Georgia:
Article I, Section I, Paragraph V. "Freedom of speech and of the press guaranteed. No law shall be passed to curtail or restrain the freedom of speech or of the press. Every person may speak, write, and publish sentiments on all subjects but shall be responsible for the abuse of that liberty."
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2005, 05:32:15 PM »

-communist insigna
-Nazi insigna
-KKK insigna
-swearing
-beer logos
-confederate flags
-crosses and other religious symbols
-Bible verses

Seperate these into three categories:

1st Category-Banned no matter

Swearing
Beer logos

2nd category-Allowed no matter

Religious themes
Bible verses (or your religions equivalent)

3rd Category-all are banned, or all are allowed, I'd lead towards banning them all

KKK insignia
Nazi insignia
Communist insignia
Confederate insignia

From the Constitution of the State of Georgia:
Article I, Section I, Paragraph V. "Freedom of speech and of the press guaranteed. No law shall be passed to curtail or restrain the freedom of speech or of the press. Every person may speak, write, and publish sentiments on all subjects but shall be responsible for the abuse of that liberty."

ok, that is up to interpretation.  Obviously, the government has a right to promote public safety and that means no violent shirts, no shirts with violent undertones, nothing that carries a direct threat to a child, etc.
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2005, 05:34:34 PM »

-communist insigna
-Nazi insigna
-KKK insigna
-swearing
-beer logos
-confederate flags
-crosses and other religious symbols
-Bible verses

Seperate these into three categories:

1st Category-Banned no matter

Swearing
Beer logos

2nd category-Allowed no matter

Religious themes
Bible verses (or your religions equivalent)

3rd Category-all are banned, or all are allowed, I'd lead towards banning them all

KKK insignia
Nazi insignia
Communist insignia
Confederate insignia

From the Constitution of the State of Georgia:
Article I, Section I, Paragraph V. "Freedom of speech and of the press guaranteed. No law shall be passed to curtail or restrain the freedom of speech or of the press. Every person may speak, write, and publish sentiments on all subjects but shall be responsible for the abuse of that liberty."

ok, that is up to interpretation.  Obviously, the government has a right to promote public safety and that means no violent shirts, no shirts with violent undertones, nothing that carries a direct threat to a child, etc.

Government has no rights, and shirts don't carry any threat, unless you are trying to strangle someone with them.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2005, 05:36:32 PM »

I'm torn. Certainly yes to all except KKK, Nazi, and Confederacy. I want to be in favor of freedom and all, but would I, having lost relatives in the Holocaust, be offended if someone wore a Nazi shirt? The answer is probably yes, and same thing goes for minorities and the KKK/Confederacy. So ban them, though what about the people for whom the swastika is a religous symbol that dates to before Hitler?
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2005, 05:38:31 PM »

I'm torn. Certainly yes to all except KKK, Nazi, and Confederacy. I want to be in favor of freedom and all, but would I, having lost relatives in the Holocaust, be offended if someone wore a Nazi shirt? The answer is probably yes, and same thing goes for minorities and the KKK/Confederacy. So ban them, though what about the people for whom the swastika is a religous symbol that dates to before Hitler?

I would think someone whose family were killed in China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea would see Communist insignia in the same way you would see a Nazi symbol.  Ban all extreme political shirts or don't ban any.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2005, 05:39:43 PM »

Government has no rights, and shirts don't carry any threat, unless you are trying to strangle someone with them.

Okay, now I will ignore you because if you believe those first four words, nothing I say will even register.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 05:48:31 PM »

Government has no rights, and shirts don't carry any threat, unless you are trying to strangle someone with them.

Okay, now I will ignore you because if you believe those first four words, nothing I say will even register.

government doesnt have rights, it only has powers grantd to it by the people. if you dnt believe me, ask Peter bell.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2005, 05:51:00 PM »

Government has no rights, and shirts don't carry any threat, unless you are trying to strangle someone with them.

Okay, now I will ignore you because if you believe those first four words, nothing I say will even register.

government doesnt have rights, it only has powers grantd to it by the people. if you dnt believe me, ask Peter bell.

Whatever you call them, they are fundementally the same. Government has the responsibility to do the above things.
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2005, 06:35:20 PM »

I'm a real First Amendment hawk. All of these things should be allowed, with extreme reluctance in some cases, but those who choose to wear #2 or #3 should be regarded as individuals with some real serious issues that are contrary to the standards of society.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2005, 06:35:58 PM »
« Edited: April 05, 2005, 02:55:57 PM by Joe Republic »

I vote yes to all statements.

More than display a person's political, religious or social beliefs, it actually displays their idiocy in certain cases, their willingness to be labeled or stereotyped, their openness to a severe beating, and worst of all, their extreme lack of fashion sense.
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2005, 06:45:20 PM »

Yes to all.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2005, 08:38:15 PM »
« Edited: March 14, 2005, 08:39:03 PM by Alcon »

I'm torn. Certainly yes to all except KKK, Nazi, and Confederacy. I want to be in favor of freedom and all, but would I, having lost relatives in the Holocaust, be offended if someone wore a Nazi shirt? The answer is probably yes, and same thing goes for minorities and the KKK/Confederacy. So ban them, though what about the people for whom the swastika is a religous symbol that dates to before Hitler?

I would think someone whose family were killed in China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea would see Communist insignia in the same way you would see a Nazi symbol.  Ban all extreme political shirts or don't ban any.

I told you I was torn. Perhaps we could have a policy that if you wear a shirt like that someone is allowed to beat you up to a certain degree. Sure, you can where a Nazi shirt, and if some guy beats the living crap out of you, your fault.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2005, 08:48:12 PM »

This is why uniforms are not such a bad idea.

If workplaces can enforce dress codes, schools should be able to also.

People can wear those other shirts on their own time.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2005, 09:35:04 PM »

This is why uniforms are not such a bad idea.

This is why uniforms are a horrible idea.
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2005, 09:37:37 PM »
« Edited: March 14, 2005, 09:39:56 PM by Redefeatbush04 »

-communist insigna - yes (not less than high school)
-Nazi insigna - no
-KKK insigna - no
-swearing - yes (not less than high school)
-beer logos - yes (not less than high school)
-confederate flags - yes (not less than high school)
-crosses and other religious symbols - yes
-Bible verses - yes
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2005, 10:46:50 PM »

This is why uniforms are not such a bad idea.

If workplaces can enforce dress codes, schools should be able to also.

People can wear those other shirts on their own time.

Consdiering that uniforms would've not improved things one iota in my school, I will always oppose them no matter what. My school got along fine without them, every one can.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2005, 11:16:32 PM »

I say no to all, i actualy like the idea of school uniforms. I get so frusterated with the druggies at my school that scribble the anarchy sign or hammer and sickle on their backpacks and T-shirts, most kids that wear that crap are just ill informed or stupid. Go find a kid wearing a commie shirt and ask him to explain marxism to you and the proletariat revolution, they cant do it.
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2005, 11:23:17 PM »

Go find a kid wearing a commie shirt and ask him to explain marxism to you and the proletariat revolution, they cant do it.

Not only that, but they'd never survive a minute under the type of government they think they advocate.
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