MA: The Separation of Powers Amendment (Failed)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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Sponsor: Mr. X

[ZuWo]

I don't see a need for this. Actually, this amendment unnecessarily complicates the way bills are introduced and debates are conducted in the Assembly. Currently the Governor and Lt. Governor can introduce bills on their own. Should this amendment be passed, future Governors and Lt. Governors could still do the same but would first have to contact a member of the Assembly to introduce a bill on his/her behalf. So the consequences this amendment will have when it comes to the concept of separation of powers are symbolic at best and overly bureaucratic at worst.

If there is a real desire for a clear separation of powers between the executive branch on the one hand and the legislative branch on the other hand this amendment will have to do a lot more.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I don't see a need for this. Actually, this amendment unnecessarily complicates the way bills are introduced and debates are conducted in the Assembly. Currently the Governor and Lt. Governor can introduce bills on their own. Should this amendment be passed, future Governors and Lt. Governors could still do the same but would first have to contact a member of the Assembly to introduce a bill on his/her behalf. So the consequences this amendment will have when it comes to the concept of separation of powers are symbolic at best and overly bureaucratic at worst.

If there is a real desire for a clear separation of powers between the executive branch on the one hand and the legislative branch on the other hand this amendment will have to do a lot more.

I would argue that this amendment is a critical and long-overdue step towards establishing a true separation between the executive and legislative branches in the Mideast.

[ZuWo]

I don't see a need for this. Actually, this amendment unnecessarily complicates the way bills are introduced and debates are conducted in the Assembly. Currently the Governor and Lt. Governor can introduce bills on their own. Should this amendment be passed, future Governors and Lt. Governors could still do the same but would first have to contact a member of the Assembly to introduce a bill on his/her behalf. So the consequences this amendment will have when it comes to the concept of separation of powers are symbolic at best and overly bureaucratic at worst.

If there is a real desire for a clear separation of powers between the executive branch on the one hand and the legislative branch on the other hand this amendment will have to do a lot more.

I would argue that this amendment is a critical and long-overdue step towards establishing a true separation between the executive and legislative branches in the Mideast.

But it doesn't have any practical implications on the Assembly except for making things more complicated.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I don't see a need for this. Actually, this amendment unnecessarily complicates the way bills are introduced and debates are conducted in the Assembly. Currently the Governor and Lt. Governor can introduce bills on their own. Should this amendment be passed, future Governors and Lt. Governors could still do the same but would first have to contact a member of the Assembly to introduce a bill on his/her behalf. So the consequences this amendment will have when it comes to the concept of separation of powers are symbolic at best and overly bureaucratic at worst.

If there is a real desire for a clear separation of powers between the executive branch on the one hand and the legislative branch on the other hand this amendment will have to do a lot more.

I would argue that this amendment is a critical and long-overdue step towards establishing a true separation between the executive and legislative branches in the Mideast.

But it doesn't have any practical implications on the Assembly except for making things more complicated.

Not necessarily, if none of the members of the Assembly support the Governor or Lieutenant Governor's bill, it couldn't be introduced under this amendment.

[ZuWo]

I don't see a need for this. Actually, this amendment unnecessarily complicates the way bills are introduced and debates are conducted in the Assembly. Currently the Governor and Lt. Governor can introduce bills on their own. Should this amendment be passed, future Governors and Lt. Governors could still do the same but would first have to contact a member of the Assembly to introduce a bill on his/her behalf. So the consequences this amendment will have when it comes to the concept of separation of powers are symbolic at best and overly bureaucratic at worst.

If there is a real desire for a clear separation of powers between the executive branch on the one hand and the legislative branch on the other hand this amendment will have to do a lot more.

I would argue that this amendment is a critical and long-overdue step towards establishing a true separation between the executive and legislative branches in the Mideast.

But it doesn't have any practical implications on the Assembly except for making things more complicated.

Not necessarily, if none of the members of the Assembly support the Governor or Lieutenant Governor's bill, it couldn't be introduced under this amendment.

Governors/Lt. Governors are usually elected with the backing of one of the major parties, and these major parties always have representatives in the Mideast Assembly. The chance of one or several Assemblymembers denying to introduce a bill on behalf of the Governor/Lt. Governor of their own party seems pretty low to me, to be honest. And in my own experience there's always an Assemblymember who isn't that active and who is therefore more than glad when he/she gets the chance to introduce a bill written by someone else.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I don't see a need for this. Actually, this amendment unnecessarily complicates the way bills are introduced and debates are conducted in the Assembly. Currently the Governor and Lt. Governor can introduce bills on their own. Should this amendment be passed, future Governors and Lt. Governors could still do the same but would first have to contact a member of the Assembly to introduce a bill on his/her behalf. So the consequences this amendment will have when it comes to the concept of separation of powers are symbolic at best and overly bureaucratic at worst.

If there is a real desire for a clear separation of powers between the executive branch on the one hand and the legislative branch on the other hand this amendment will have to do a lot more.

I would argue that this amendment is a critical and long-overdue step towards establishing a true separation between the executive and legislative branches in the Mideast.

But it doesn't have any practical implications on the Assembly except for making things more complicated.

Not necessarily, if none of the members of the Assembly support the Governor or Lieutenant Governor's bill, it couldn't be introduced under this amendment.

Governors/Lt. Governors are usually elected with the backing of one of the major parties, and these major parties always have representatives in the Mideast Assembly. The chance of one or several Assemblymembers denying to introduce a bill on behalf of the Governor/Lt. Governor of their own party seems pretty low to me, to be honest. And in my own experience there's always an Assemblymember who isn't that active and who is therefore more than glad when he/she gets the chance to introduce a bill written by someone else.

I find that often the inactive Assemblymen are inactive by deliberate choice.  And even at a symbolic level, I think it is important for our region to have a clear separation between the executive and legislative branches (something we currently lack).

[ZuWo]

I just don't think we need to make that symbolic distinction between the two branches when there are hardly any tangible effects on the Assembly, but I will leave that to the members of this body to decide.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I don't see a need for this. Actually, this amendment unnecessarily complicates the way bills are introduced and debates are conducted in the Assembly. Currently the Governor and Lt. Governor can introduce bills on their own. Should this amendment be passed, future Governors and Lt. Governors could still do the same but would first have to contact a member of the Assembly to introduce a bill on his/her behalf. So the consequences this amendment will have when it comes to the concept of separation of powers are symbolic at best and overly bureaucratic at worst.

If there is a real desire for a clear separation of powers between the executive branch on the one hand and the legislative branch on the other hand this amendment will have to do a lot more.

I would argue that this amendment is a critical and long-overdue step towards establishing a true separation between the executive and legislative branches in the Mideast.

But it doesn't have any practical implications on the Assembly except for making things more complicated.

Not necessarily, if none of the members of the Assembly support the Governor or Lieutenant Governor's bill, it couldn't be introduced under this amendment.

And in that case, no one would vote for it--the same end result as if no one had introduced it.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

We will now take this to a final vote.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 48-hour vote.

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[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

NAY

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Aye

[DC Al Fine]

Nay

[Filuwaúrdjan]

aye

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Voting is now closed. The AYEs are 2, and the NAYs are 3. The NAYs have it, and the bill has failed.