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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: December 29, 2013, 04:40:45 PM »

Obviously a horrible phrase/piece of political fiction.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2013, 04:54:20 PM »

Horrible phrase used by social reactionaries to condemn tolerance
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2013, 05:01:26 PM »

Used in a way that screams "America is losing its innocence!" so horrible phrase.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2013, 05:26:50 PM »

And of course the "Judeo-" part is thrown in there as a completely meaningless, misleading, pandering sop.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2013, 05:30:17 PM »

Insensitive to the countless Jews who have been persecuted by Christians throughout history.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2013, 05:33:59 PM »

And of course the "Judeo-" part is thrown in there as a completely meaningless, misleading, pandering sop.

I suspect that it'll become our "Abrahamic Values" once enough time's passed from 9-11.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2013, 05:41:55 PM »

The people who use this are the same people who think the Founding Fathers put "under God" in the pledge of allegiance.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2013, 05:55:01 PM »

Well, the west, as it exists now, is largely a product of Judeo-Christian values. Taking aside for one moment the political connotations of the term, Christianity (and the Jewish influences which are embedded in it, not least the Old Testament) has been one of the most important cultural influences in shaping the west as we know it today. That is not to discount other, important influences (the influence of Greek philosophy for example), but it the fact remains that Christianity has been the dominant faith in the western world for over 1500 years. The vast majority of scholarship carried out in Europe (the cultural precursor to America) was carried out by Christian clergymen up until the 1400's or so. The vast majority of people in the west would have considered themselves, at least nominally, as Christians, right into the 20th century. We can see all around us the influence of Christianity and Judaism, from our names (John, Matthew, Paul, Mark, David, James and Peter, to name but a few of the more common ones), our politics (which particular Christian denomination you belong to can, even today, can be an important marker of where you stand politically), our culture and even the very buildings that you see every day. 'Judeo-Christian' traditions are so deeply embedded in our society that occasionally we're in danger of forgetting that they're even of a religious origin. So, the phrase itself is perfectly sound, in the same way as Islamic traditions have shaped the Islamic world, or Hinduism has shaped the subcontinent (just look at the caste system). So it's a very real concept.

Politically, I also have a favourable opinion of the phrase.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2013, 06:13:36 PM »

Moronic.
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2013, 06:16:29 PM »

People who say this should not be taken seriously.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2013, 06:25:39 PM »

LOL
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2013, 06:23:56 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2013, 08:22:10 AM »

Horrible phrase used by social reactionaries to condemn tolerance

Hi there.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2013, 09:37:02 AM »

Freedom phrase as a general rule.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2013, 10:36:37 AM »

Horrible phrase used by social reactionaries to condemn tolerance

Hi there.

Howdy.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2013, 11:15:02 AM »

Horrible phrase.  The "Judeo" part clearly was only added after the right decided to target Jewisj voters by hugging Israel.
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2013, 01:02:14 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2013, 11:23:46 PM »

Used by people only afraid of cultural change because their once all-christian neighborhood now has a nice family who are *gasps* ATHIESTS!1!!11!
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2013, 02:21:27 AM »


This. Its a useful concept describing an important reality about American culture.
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2013, 03:54:43 PM »

And of course the "Judeo-" part is thrown in there as a completely meaningless, misleading, pandering sop.

I suspect that it'll become our "Abrahamic Values" once enough time's passed from 9-11.

Perhaps. If not for the GOP's nativism, Muslims (at least Arab/Asian Muslims) could be part of their coalition (and were before 2004).
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2013, 04:22:44 PM »

Horrible phrase. The biggest problem I have with it is that it implies that "Judeo-Christian values" are the only values that should be considered valid in America, and that it also has a bit of a "real America" sentiment that discourages non-Christian lifestyles.

Also, what PtL said about the "Judeo" part.
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2013, 05:19:35 PM »

Also, what PtL said about the "Judeo" part.

Especially since the American right (both northern nativist Republicans and southern Democrats) was pretty openly anti-Semitic until the end of World War II.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2013, 09:50:38 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2014, 11:47:05 PM »
« Edited: January 01, 2014, 11:50:27 PM by Indeed »

HP.  Many people who talk about it do not truly understand it. The ironic thing is that secular Government is arguably an idea that stems from Christian thought.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2014, 06:14:03 AM »

Horrible phrase.  The "Judeo" part clearly was only added after the right decided to target Jewisj voters by hugging Israel.

^This. I've always found the the "Judeo" part particularly grating on account of that. Of course, I can't say the phrase "America's Christian values" would be any better.
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