SENATE BILL: Hospitals Act (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocating for this.

[Maxwell]

This goes way too far. Our hospital system does not need to become nationalized. I have like two days left so I really am not doing anything, but basically I hope the new Senate has enough sense to reject this.

[President Tyrion]

I don't think we need to nationalize the hospitals. A well-regulated private structure would be sufficient.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

There is nothing wrong with private hospitals. Some of the best hospitals in the country are private. The federal government does not need to take on all of them.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Motion to Table


Will be withdrawn if advocacy is forthcoming before the Senate ends tomorrow at noon.

[TNF]

Why should anyone be allowed to profit off of someone else getting sick? A nationalized system removes the profitability of people getting sick. I do not believe that a "well regulated" private system of hospitals is possible, to be quite frank. So long as you have a profit motive, you aren't going to be able to fully regulate the system. You have to remove the profit motive and bring it under public control and administration.

[Sec. of State Superique]

The single-payer healthcare system changes in many ways the way that Hospitals earn profits and deal with the sicks and there are many advantages for keeping the system that way:

First of all, costs are tightly controlled and there is no way that private providers can have abusive charges.

Secondly, the Hospitals are usually encouraged to make sure that patients are really healthy and there are many incentives for preventive care after all.

Third, if you take a look at the many types of single-payer systems, those with private providers like the Canadian and the German (that is not really single-payer) one usually offer better care then those that are moved by public hospitals like the NHS and the Brazilian SUS (Brasil is not a very rich country so I won't compare anyway), which leads me to point out that public care does not always provide the better care.

Fourth, keeping up with private providers help the system to develop more research, when it comes to discovering new technologies and better medicines, the market system is usually the best.

 Fifth, I'm not pretty sure that our Constitution protects private property, but if so, this nationalization will be painfully costly for our Government.

Now, I would support a very toned down legislation that approved the creation of some public clinics on poor regions of the country. The current New Atlasian Healthcare Act requires cost-sharing services, so some public clinics on poor regions could provide some financial relief to the proletariat. I believe that maybe a Transparency bill could be nice to make hospitals show all their costs for the individuals. Medical Savings Accounts for the Poor are welcomed as well =P

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I agree with Superique. Profit motive doesn't always imply corrupt. It is merely the incentive that provides a mutual interest for someone to provide someone with a good service that said someone has an interest in obtaining.

[Goldwater]

I think Superique put it better than I ever could. Profit motive is necessary for technological advancement and high quality care, so I can't support the complete nationalization of our hospitals.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The VP can open a vote on this at any time.


If anyone has anything to add, I suggest they speak up soon.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I see no reason that we should nationalize all hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

[TNF]

I see no reason that we should nationalize all hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

I see no reason why they should remain in private hands, personally. The people who own these institutions are literally profiting off of other people being sick. It is no less immoral than profiting from health insurance.

[Sec. of State Superique]

I see no reason that we should nationalize all hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

I see no reason why they should remain in private hands, personally. The people who own these institutions are literally profiting off of other people being sick. It is no less immoral than profiting from health insurance.

I believe that there is really not space for debate. The funny thing is... A nurse earning money for treating a sick person could also be unfair on your thought...

[Sbane]

Wow, I hope the Senate votes this down.

[Sec. of State Superique]

Wow, I hope the Senate votes this down.

It will!

[TNF]

I see no reason that we should nationalize all hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

I see no reason why they should remain in private hands, personally. The people who own these institutions are literally profiting off of other people being sick. It is no less immoral than profiting from health insurance.

I believe that there is really not space for debate. The funny thing is... A nurse earning money for treating a sick person could also be unfair on your thought...

...Nurses aren't profiting from people being sick. Hospital owners are, in addition to profiting off of the labor of the nurse in question.

[Sec. of State Superique]

I see no reason that we should nationalize all hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

I see no reason why they should remain in private hands, personally. The people who own these institutions are literally profiting off of other people being sick. It is no less immoral than profiting from health insurance.

I believe that there is really not space for debate. The funny thing is... A nurse earning money for treating a sick person could also be unfair on your thought...

...Nurses aren't profiting from people being sick. Hospital owners are, in addition to profiting off of the labor of the nurse in question.

But the nurse is getting money because someone is sick. If she didn't have a hospital as an intermediate and charged for the survice, I believe that you would still see it as imoral. And what's the problem of profiting? If people are satisfied with their health aid are they really being exploitaded by sinful profits of fat cats?

[bore]

It's worth noting that a ton of nursing homes/clinics etc aren't run for profit. Anyway, as normal this bill is a bit extreme but being British I certainly see hospitals as something that ought to be owned by the government, as that's simply the most efficient way to run them.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A final vote is now open on the underlying legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[PPT Spiral]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

[Sec. of State Superique]

Nay!

[tmthforu94]

Nay!

Nice try!

Nay

[Goldwater]

NAY