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« on: January 08, 2014, 05:41:43 PM »

Other contributors are more than welcome to submit maps or graphics. 'Twas about time we started another thread for this sort of thing.

First, a fairly substantial contribution, if I may say so myself:

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2014, 05:44:39 PM »

As always, you are brilliant!
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2014, 08:43:12 PM »

These are the 15 English wards with the highest Muslim population:

Rank% MuslimWardCity
185.3%BASTWELLBlackburn
277.7%SHEAR BROWBlackburn
377.3%WASHWOOD HEATHBirmingham
476.3%DANESHOUSE WITH STONEYHULMEBurnley
576.1%TOLLERBradford
675.0%MANNINGHAMBradford
773.9%BORDESLEY GREENBirmingham
872.8%BRADFORD MOORBradford
970.2%SPARKBROOKBirmingham
1069.8%WHITEFIELDPendle
1169.6%SPINNEY HILLSLeicester
1268.9%AUDLEYBlackburn
1368.2%WERNETHOldham
1467.1%MILKSTONE AND DEEPLISHRochdale
1564.7%PARKHalifax

The highest Muslim population in a Greater London ward is 50.4% - Green Street West in Newham - and comes in at no. 36 on the list for the whole of England.

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2014, 10:00:22 PM »

Surprised. I expected a Tower Hamlets ward up there.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2014, 12:00:08 AM »

Surprised. I expected a Tower Hamlets ward up there.

Tower Hamlets' most heavily Muslim ward (St Dunstans and Stepney Green, 48.7% Muslim) is only no. 41 on the list. Your surprise is due to the fact that even though Tower Hamlets' Muslim population is almost twice that of Bradford's (in percentage terms), Bradford's Muslims are heavily concentrated in a few central-city wards, while the (mostly Bangladeshi) population of Tower Hamlets is spread relatively evenly throughout the borough. Due to white flight and the legacy of post-industrialism, many Northern cities have huge racial, religious and linguistic disparities between homogeneous populations living in very close proximity to each other.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2014, 04:15:21 AM »

Surprised. I expected a Tower Hamlets ward up there.

Tower Hamlets' most heavily Muslim ward (St Dunstans and Stepney Green, 48.7% Muslim) is only no. 41 on the list. Your surprise is due to the fact that even though Tower Hamlets' Muslim population is almost twice that of Bradford's (in percentage terms), Bradford's Muslims are heavily concentrated in a few central-city wards, while the (mostly Bangladeshi) population of Tower Hamlets is spread relatively evenly throughout the borough. Due to white flight and the legacy of post-industrialism, many Northern cities have huge racial, religious and linguistic disparities between homogeneous populations living in very close proximity to each other.

Yes.  Also, it's worth remembering that the "City of Bradford Metropolitan District" contains a lot of areas no-one really thinks of as part of Bradford: the Muslim population of Bradford proper will be higher than that in the district (even taking Keighley into account).
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2014, 11:47:04 AM »

Surprised. I expected a Tower Hamlets ward up there.

Tower Hamlets' most heavily Muslim ward (St Dunstans and Stepney Green, 48.7% Muslim) is only no. 41 on the list. Your surprise is due to the fact that even though Tower Hamlets' Muslim population is almost twice that of Bradford's (in percentage terms), Bradford's Muslims are heavily concentrated in a few central-city wards, while the (mostly Bangladeshi) population of Tower Hamlets is spread relatively evenly throughout the borough. Due to white flight and the legacy of post-industrialism, many Northern cities have huge racial, religious and linguistic disparities between homogeneous populations living in very close proximity to each other.

Yes.  Also, it's worth remembering that the "City of Bradford Metropolitan District" contains a lot of areas no-one really thinks of as part of Bradford: the Muslim population of Bradford proper will be higher than that in the district (even taking Keighley into account).
Someone come up with a reasonable definition of Bradford, London proper by wards. It might be more Islamic than Tower Hamlets.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2014, 11:57:09 AM »

Lovely work, as always. More commentary later.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2014, 12:31:21 PM »

Someone come up with a reasonable definition of Bradford, London proper by wards. It might be more Islamic than Tower Hamlets.

You could try the old County Borough boundaries: basically the same as the three 'Bradford' prefixed parliamentary constituencies when taken together. Per constituency we get:

West 51.3
East 36.9
South 12.3

Putting all three together the total for the shabby lovely city is: 34.3
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2014, 12:42:44 PM »

Two reasons not mentioned yet for the lack of any Tower Hamlets wards on the list: firstly, creeping gentrification in parts of the borough; secondly, London wards are generally larger.

Due to white flight and the legacy of post-industrialism, many Northern cities have huge racial, religious and linguistic disparities between homogeneous populations living in very close proximity to each other.

There's actually been less conscious white-flight than is popularly assumed; it's just that in most of the old textile towns and cities there is (and was in the 60s and 70s; the principle decades of immigration from Kashmir, Gujarat and Sylhet) a lot of surplus housing (small terraced rows from the last few decades of the 19th century, mostly) not in a particularly good state but not bad enough to be termed 'slum' and torn down in the postwar decades. And two plus two tends to equal four. There's a similar pattern in Birmingham, though it's slightly more complicated.

But, yes, the use and contestation of space in London is different, as are the forms of segregation.
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2014, 12:54:34 PM »


Pendle is made up of several towns; Whitefield ward is in Nelson.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2014, 01:57:26 PM »

Two reasons not mentioned yet for the lack of any Tower Hamlets wards on the list: firstly, creeping gentrification in parts of the borough; secondly, London wards are generally larger.

Compared with Lancashire yes, but not compared with the Yorkshire Mets.  In particular, Kirklees wards are huge, which may help explain why no Dewsbury ward appears on the list.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2014, 11:54:50 PM »

Is there any particular reason that Sylhet specifically saw so much emigration to Britain?
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2014, 07:47:59 AM »

These are the 15 English wards with the highest Muslim population:

Rank% MuslimWardCity
185.3%BASTWELLBlackburn
277.7%SHEAR BROWBlackburn
377.3%WASHWOOD HEATHBirmingham
476.3%DANESHOUSE WITH STONEYHULMEBurnley
576.1%TOLLERBradford
675.0%MANNINGHAMBradford
773.9%BORDESLEY GREENBirmingham
872.8%BRADFORD MOORBradford
970.2%SPARKBROOKBirmingham
1069.8%WHITEFIELDPendle
1169.6%SPINNEY HILLSLeicester
1268.9%AUDLEYBlackburn
1368.2%WERNETHOldham
1467.1%MILKSTONE AND DEEPLISHRochdale
1564.7%PARKHalifax

The highest Muslim population in a Greater London ward is 50.4% - Green Street West in Newham - and comes in at no. 36 on the list for the whole of England.



And as of the last set of elections in 2012, how many of them have a Respect councillor and how many of them in 2012 were Labour GAIN from Respect?
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2014, 09:06:16 AM »

These are the 15 English wards with the highest Muslim population:

Rank% MuslimWardCity
185.3%BASTWELLBlackburn
277.7%SHEAR BROWBlackburn
377.3%WASHWOOD HEATHBirmingham
476.3%DANESHOUSE WITH STONEYHULMEBurnley
576.1%TOLLERBradford
675.0%MANNINGHAMBradford
773.9%BORDESLEY GREENBirmingham
872.8%BRADFORD MOORBradford
970.2%SPARKBROOKBirmingham
1069.8%WHITEFIELDPendle
1169.6%SPINNEY HILLSLeicester
1268.9%AUDLEYBlackburn
1368.2%WERNETHOldham
1467.1%MILKSTONE AND DEEPLISHRochdale
1564.7%PARKHalifax

The highest Muslim population in a Greater London ward is 50.4% - Green Street West in Newham - and comes in at no. 36 on the list for the whole of England.



And as of the last set of elections in 2012, how many of them have a Respect councillor and how many of them in 2012 were Labour GAIN from Respect?

Only Manningham and Bradford Moor voted Respect in 2012.  (Toller probably would have done too had Respect not messed up their nomination.)  Of the others, a perusal of Andrew Teale's website suggests that Sparkbrook is the only one Respect have ever won.  In fact some of them (including all three Blackburn wards) have never even had a Respect candidate.
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2014, 06:23:21 AM »

Interesting. I thought Croydon (London) would be more Muslim. Nonetheless very very interesting! can we have one with people with no religious belief as well?
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2014, 09:46:39 AM »

Interesting. I thought Croydon (London) would be more Muslim. Nonetheless very very interesting! can we have one with people with no religious belief as well?

Ah, requests! I'd be happy to fill that one.
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2014, 02:41:26 PM »

Interesting. I thought Croydon (London) would be more Muslim. Nonetheless very very interesting! can we have one with people with no religious belief as well?

Ah, requests! I'd be happy to fill that one.

Might be worth extending it to Scotland and Wales as they have exceptionally high rates of non-belief.



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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2014, 03:08:50 PM »

The religion questions were not the same, unfortunately.  In Scotland the question was "What religion, religious denomination or body do you belong to?"  In England and Wales it was "What is your religion?"
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2014, 03:17:18 PM »

The religion questions were not the same, unfortunately.  In Scotland the question was "What religion, religious denomination or body do you belong to?"  In England and Wales it was "What is your religion?"

Yet you still get a stark result in Wales even with that.
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2014, 03:18:12 PM »

Wierd collection of not-religious area. I expected Oxford, Cambridge and Brighton to top the list, it's instead Norwich, the Welsh Valleys, Aberdeen and the Firth of Forth (and Brighton).
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2014, 03:53:14 PM »

The religion questions were not the same, unfortunately.  In Scotland the question was "What religion, religious denomination or body do you belong to?"  In England and Wales it was "What is your religion?"

Yet you still get a stark result in Wales even with that.

The England/Scotland border stands out considerably more on that map than the England/Wales one, the Valleys concentration notwithstanding.  Of course it is a culturally sharper border, but I'm still a bit suspicious (and the effect is in the direction I'd expect if the difference in the questions were partly responsible).
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2014, 06:22:10 PM »

Ooh! Can we see a map for Hindus?
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2014, 07:24:11 PM »

The trouble with the options that the majority had open to them is that... er... well... it's hard not to get the impression that different people understood the question in different ways. This means that we then have to wonder what exactly is it that's being measured. Which isn't to say that the results are useless, it's just that caution is required when it comes to interpretation.

Happily this isn't an issue with minorities, even if there's an undercount problem on this question and no other - with at least two different sources - with regards to Jews.
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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2014, 07:46:02 PM »

Though some patterns are still interesting: if you look at that map, note that the very low rates are almost all minority-heavy (to a given definition of minority: Catholics very much included). Places with large student populations tend too have high rates. New Towns often have slightly higher rates than surrounding areas. And once you drill down to ward level in some places other things of interest can some up.
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