SENATE BILL: Basic Income Guarantee Advertising Program (Law'd)

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

anybody have any idea how much this will cost if it is successful?

[TNF]

anybody have any idea how much this will cost if it is successful?

$60 million, perhaps?

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[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

No, I mean if we have all these more people signing up for Nixcome, how much is that going to cost? 

[President Tyrion]

Nixcome doesn't cost significantly more than the amalgamation of other forms of welfare, iirc.

[TNF]

Nixcome doesn't cost significantly more than the amalgamation of other forms of welfare, iirc.

[Talleyrand]

Nixcome doesn't cost significantly more than the amalgamation of other forms of welfare, iirc.

A GM estimate is probably available from Griffin for the bill with maximum enrollment if one searches hard enough. Either way, this latest "concern" is a non-issue, unless you want people to remain uninformed that they have a right to enroll in the basic income program because you want to "waste less money".

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Nixcome doesn't cost significantly more than the amalgamation of other forms of welfare, iirc.

A GM estimate is probably available from Griffin for the bill with maximum enrollment if one searches hard enough. Either way, this latest "concern" is a non-issue, unless you want people to remain uninformed that they have a right to enroll in the basic income program because you want to "waste less money".

You and your eyerolls may prefer to remain completely and blissfully unaware and uninterested in the cost of the policies you vote for and consider it a "non-issue."  I am not so sure that's a good long term strategy.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So what do you want to do then?

[President Tyrion]

I motion for a final vote.

The costs of BIG have already been figured into the theoretical post-Nix budget by having been approved. This is just debt ceiling stuff, at this point, and I think it's time to end it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We can get to a final vote three ways

1. Debate ceases for 24 hours
2. UC is approved
3. Cloture vote.

I assume shua will object to a uc request and won't stop talking for the span of 24 hours. So that leaves cloture, which could take a while.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'd like this entered into the record for reference:

I would like to know how many people are enrolling on the Basic Income program since his creation?

OFFICIAL ESTIMATE

As of December 2013, 17 million households (15%) are eligible for the Basic Income Guarantee.

Among those 17 million households, 1.2 million (7%) have opted for the Basic Income Guarantee since its inception in October. Survey data published by the Department of Social Welfare suggests that many eligible recipients perceive the option as a risk, and are reluctant to be among the first to opt out of other benefits, such as public housing. Furthermore, nearly 60% of eligible households were unaware of the existence of the program (although this is down from 75% at the beginning of November). Among enrolled households, the average annual benefit is $7500. So far, enrolled households tend to be somewhat better off than households that have not enrolled, and are more likely to have at least one member working part time.

The Department of Social Welfare forecasts that total spending on the Basic Income Guarantee will reach between $15 and $20 billion in its first year, and expects enrollment to double to 2.5 million within the next twelve months. As of now, the effect of the program on other social spending remains unclear, although the Office of Food and Nutrition Services recorded a slight decline in food stamps issued during November.

Yankee, can debate continue for the 24 hours between the UC motion and the vote?  I might be amenable to that...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

UC works on a basis of requiring an explicit objection to block it. So it baiscally the inverse of number one in a certain sense since any kind of debate would trigger and force the 24 hour cycle to restart.


Since you seem to have laid out a ocndition in which UC is acceptable, I ask unanimous consent to waive the cloture requirement and proceed immediately to a fina lvote. Senators have 24 hours to object.

In 24 hours I will still be asleep or preferrably just getting up for my Saturday morning activities and thus it will be more like 27 hours before I will be able to start this anyway.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's possible that this bill will cost us money, or it's possible that it will save money in the long run.  I think at this point it makes sense to give the Basic Income program the best chance we can to succeed, since we've already passed it and I'm not interested in a repeal.
But I'm going to vote against this bill, for a different reason after looking at the original legislation.  The purpose of the Social Welfare application process should be to help people get the services they need that best fit their situation.  For some people this will mean the Basic Income program. For others, it will not.  They may not know when they come in to get services what fits their situation best.  That is why, hopefully, there are people to guide them through that process. I don't see the point of automatically enrolling someone in anything they didn't ask for, while meanwhile they or their family members may lose other benefits by their enrollment. If this were just a bill educating the public, I would support it, but it isn't, and I wonder if for the people who need detailed information most on the benefits and drawbacks of the program are going to get it when there's this push toward directing them into it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Seeing no objections, rules are a suspended and a final vote is now open on the legislations, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


I understand the Senator's concerns, I raised the concern during the original bill that we needed to uncover just who would benefit and who would actually be left less well off compared to the present situation and the numbers for both.

[Talleyrand]

AYE

[TNF]

Aye

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

NAY

[bore]

Aye

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Aye

[tmthforu94]

Nay

[President Tyrion]

Aye

[Goldwater]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE


This has enough votes to pass, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Final Passage of the Basic Income Guarrantee Advertising Program, I guess Act?:

Aye (6): bore, Mr. X, NC Yankee, Talleyrand, TNF and TyrionthEImperialist
NAy (3): Goldwater, shua and Tmthforu94
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):
Vacant Seats (1): Spiral

With six votes in the affiramtive and three in the negative with time having expire,d the bill has passed the Senate nad is presented to the President for executive action.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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